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Brexit never? Britain can still change its mind, says Article 50 autho

What if the body you're choosing to remain a part of is an apparently doomed undemocratic vehicle for consumerism and corporate profit with no real tangible evidence of socialist principles and commonwealth, dangerously manipulated by maniacs with no political mandate?
Very well put. That trumps what Waltz said without even mentioning democracy. "People can do as they wish but we will do our bit to try to defeat the anti-democrats.


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What if the body you're choosing to remain a part of is an apparently doomed undemocratic vehicle for consumerism and corporate profit with no real tangible evidence of socialist principles and commonwealth, dangerously manipulated by maniacs with no political mandate?
You get the chance to say no.
 
I voted remain but if the shifty anti-democrats force another vote I will vote leave as will my wife and a number of our friends. Democracy is just too important to leave to venal politicians

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What tosh. Democracy is a living entity, or are you suggesting that we should never vote for anything ever again?
 
We knuckle down and get on with it no matter how 'bad' the situation may become , suggest people stop bleating and channel there energies into making the situation work best for Britain.

No matter how bad the situation may become. Don’t be foolish.
 
Very well put. That trumps what Waltz said without even mentioning democracy. "People can do as they wish but we will do our bit to try to defeat the anti-democrats.


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It is my democratic right to continue to argue to remain and if we leave it would be my democratic right to argue to rejoin.
 
It is my democratic right to continue to argue to remain and if we leave it would be my democratic right to argue to rejoin.

Absolutely. The right of the Tory party bleated on for decades and then were joined by the Referendum Party and UKIP......that's democracy, though it doesn't apply for libtard snowflakes I gather.
 
You get the chance to say no.

I had the chance to say no in June 2016.

I chose not to take it because both sides were equally unappealing.

What if we vote to remain this time? Best out of 3?

The lack of political maturity knocking around this subject still astonishes.
 
Very well put. That trumps what Waltz said without even mentioning democracy. "People can do as they wish but we will do our bit to try to defeat the anti-democrats.

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For you and I.. it may ! But for the majority of people they hear the economic scare stories and they believe them.

We have a degree of economic instability brought about by our decision to leave.. the Brexit decision runs counter to the corporate agenda and they are creating more instability to convince us it was the wrong decision.
Very much the same arguments were used for the ERM and joining the Euro.. and they were wrong.

The fact that folks like raef and Waltz who claim to oppose the corporate agenda.. seize and use the very same arguments I find quite extraordinary.

Last month Raef was telling us "for better or worse he respected the referendum result" this week he is openly backing calls for a second referendum..

Meanwhile in Brussels and very much unreported plans for European defence force are taking shape..
 
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I haven't championed another referendum but if there was to be one 1.) I would take part and use my vote 2.) My vote would be The same as last time and that would be to remain.

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No.. all further calls for a referendum will be dismissed. The "correct result" will have been achieved.

If we are lucky we might just get another in 41 years..

A little like, Ireland and to some extent Portugal. Ahhh I see a pattern emerging.
 
Will you give your cast iron guarantee that rejoining the EU will increase peoples prosperity ?

Leaving the EU will not increase the prosperity of most people in the uk. The only chance of increased prosperity is a Labour government
 
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What does that even mean? Should we not have another general election? Should we not have council elections? By your logic, there should never have been a referendum because we had already had one and a decision was reached.

Oh good grief...

After the election you allow the winning party to form a government and then govern.

We haven't allowed that to happen.

That post was as bad as misquoting me.
 
Oh good grief...

After the election you allow the winning party to form a government and then govern.

We haven't allowed that to happen.

That post was as bad as misquoting me.

We had the government in place for 2 years then had another election........or did you not notice?

You seem to have a problem with democracy....
 
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What does that even mean? Should we not have another general election? Should we not have council elections? By your logic, there should never have been a referendum because we had already had one and a decision was reached.

General elections are to decide who runs the country.. regular GE are good because they allow the population to remove ineffectual and corrupt politicians at regular intervals

Constitutional referendum should only be once in a generational events.. on major change to the constitution. Repeating constitutional referenda creates political and economic instability.. it becomes harder to make long term economic decisions because you cannot be certain any democratic decision will stand for any length of time.

If you argue that we should have another referendum in the next 3-5 years.. why shouldn't I argue that we should have another after that ?
You have created a precedent that you can referenda on this issue every 3-5 years ?

Economically and politically.. how do you plan for the long term if every major constitutional decision is open to challenge in the medium to short term ?
 
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We had the government in place for 2 years then had another election........or did you not notice?

You seem to have a problem with democracy....

It was a referendum.
We haven't implemented the result.
When we have, your reply will make sense.
 
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