Brexit never? Britain can still change its mind, says Article 50 autho

Mer5eywhite

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I agree with almost all the post - except I do think Mer5ey’s hypothetical question has relevance as a focus of debate. It’s interesting to consider the creation of that EU/UK border - if it had been created by the Irish rather than by us.

I already gave my view on the scenario- and I genuinely hope for some reasonable comment on it. Basically, I see no way in the world that the Irish would have held a referendum committing themselves to membership of the EU - where the Ireland/ Northern Ireland border was not the focus of enormous scrutiny and negotiation beforehand.

My eyes will pop out if anyone disagrees with that! And IMO, this should bring home the abject failure and stupidity of what our Tory masters did when convincing people to vote for it.
I don’t entirely agree but it’s a fair answer and I believe it’s your honest opinion. Cheers Reg.
 

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The GFA could never have happened without the EU and the customs union. Prior to 1992 there were customs posts at all the border crossing points. Over time the number and nature of checks reduced as more bilateral agreements were signed, but checks were still taking place.

You cannot hypothesise that everything remained the same except for the RoI joining and the UK not joining back in the day because things were in a constant state of flux from 1922 onwards
So much so that the CTA predates freedom of movement within the EU by about 50 years.
 

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I don’t entirely agree but it’s a fair answer and I believe it’s your honest opinion. Cheers Reg.

I have played your hypothetical game! So go on then - pick apart my response - particularly the one I gave to raef - because it looks pretty incontestable to me! What wouldn’t you entirely agree with?
 

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I think the notion that those in the republic would have considered the north first, before making an economic decision, is flawed. Ireland is not homogenous in its desire for island unity above all else. There are many in power who are far more pragmatic than that.
That said, I do think it would have merited more discussion than this shower of goons gave it.
 

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I think the notion that those in the republic would have considered the north first, before making an economic decision, is flawed. Ireland is not homogenous in its desire for island unity above all else. There are many in power who are far more pragmatic than that.
That said, I do think it would have merited more discussion than this shower of goons gave it.

Hmmm. IMO you’ve “not entirely agreed” with a couple of things I didn’t really say! :sneaky: But that’ll do for now.
 

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Funny how people are now complaining about the details of our Brexit deal when they all voted for something with absolutely no details.

Would you sign any legal document without knowing the details, anyone with half a brain cell wouldn’t do that.

And now the shambles is unraveling the chaos has started, with lots more hidden by the pandemic, and Saint Boris of the Vaccination in a completely untouchable place as he has never told a lie, or answered a question.

As the shambles shows up more, coupled with a post pandemic depression, fasten your safety belts.

I preferred to stay in because it’s a divorce, and everyone will suffer, but I have to confess that the behaviour of the EU after a democratic vote means I’m thinking we are better of out of it, but not for the original Brexit arguments.

It’s a shambles of horrendous proportions.

And Bullshit Boris remains a hero after lieing through his ass........
 

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Funny how people are now complaining about the details of our Brexit deal when they all voted for something with absolutely no details.

Would you sign any legal document without knowing the details, anyone with half a brain cell wouldn’t do that.

And now the shambles is unraveling the chaos has started, with lots more hidden by the pandemic, and Saint Boris of the Vaccination in a completely untouchable place as he has never told a lie, or answered a question.

As the shambles shows up more, coupled with a post pandemic depression, fasten your safety belts.

I preferred to stay in because it’s a divorce, and everyone will suffer, but I have to confess that the behaviour of the EU after a democratic vote means I’m thinking we are better of out of it, but not for the original Brexit arguments.

It’s a shambles of horrendous proportions.

And Bullshit Boris remains a hero after lieing through his ass........
I’ve disagreed with you before over this but I think we’re pretty much on the same page.
 

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Funny how people are now complaining about the details of our Brexit deal when they all voted for something with absolutely no details.

Would you sign any legal document without knowing the details, anyone with half a brain cell wouldn’t do that.

And now the shambles is unraveling the chaos has started, with lots more hidden by the pandemic, and Saint Boris of the Vaccination in a completely untouchable place as he has never told a lie, or answered a question.

As the shambles shows up more, coupled with a post pandemic depression, fasten your safety belts.

I preferred to stay in because it’s a divorce, and everyone will suffer, but I have to confess that the behaviour of the EU after a democratic vote means I’m thinking we are better of out of it, but not for the original Brexit arguments.

It’s a shambles of horrendous proportions.

And Bullshit Boris remains a hero after lieing through his ass........
Funny bit is the right wing tabloids are trying to blame the EU. It was Johnson's decision to sign the agreement ffs.

Biggest laugh of all is the Sun talking about the good old British sausage whereas in reality it's far wider than that. The patronising cunts, says a lot about what they think of their readership. It reminds me of a Yes Minister episode in the 80's. 😂
 

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Funny how people are now complaining about the details of our Brexit deal when they all voted for something with absolutely no details.

Would you sign any legal document without knowing the details, anyone with half a brain cell wouldn’t do that.

And now the shambles is unraveling the chaos has started, with lots more hidden by the pandemic, and Saint Boris of the Vaccination in a completely untouchable place as he has never told a lie, or answered a question.

As the shambles shows up more, coupled with a post pandemic depression, fasten your safety belts.

I preferred to stay in because it’s a divorce, and everyone will suffer, but I have to confess that the behaviour of the EU after a democratic vote means I’m thinking we are better of out of it, but not for the original Brexit arguments.

It’s a shambles of horrendous proportions.

And Bullshit Boris remains a hero after lieing through his ass........
Good post, that - agree with much more than I disagree with.
 

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An interesting tweet from Yani that is doing the rounds in the Greek part of Twitter:

It has not all been sweetness and light but I would like to see an objective list of this “disgraceful behaviour” of hard remainers and Brussels and compare it objectively with that of hard Leavers and of the UK government.
 

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It has not all been sweetness and light but I would like to see an objective list of this “disgraceful behaviour” of hard remainers and Brussels and compare it objectively with that of hard Leavers and of the UK government.
I saw plenty on both sides, tbh.

If you want to make a list, go ahead. :D
 

Regardless

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I saw plenty on both sides, tbh.

If you want to make a list, go ahead. :D
OK.

I heard that the EU got a bit shirty when Boris unilaterally decided to rip up parts of the Northern Ireland Protocol that he’d agreed only a few weeks earlier. And at a People’s Vote rally, Alistair Campbell was seen to not to wash his hands after having had a steaming shit.

So that’s one side of the list done. I’ll get the other side done soon. July at the latest.
 
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