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City Centre Investment

We reasonably did in the supposed hard times of the 70's and 80's

Any ideas on how it went wrong?

Preston seems to have suffered from some awful town planning over the years...

1935 - The town's extensive tram network is pulled up. Admittedly by 1962 there were no trams outside of Blackpool but Preston really did get in early in what became a nationwide bout of short-sightedness.

1947 - Fire damages part of Preston's gothic town hall causing the clock tower to collaspe. Calls are made for the Sir George Gilbert Scott designed gem to be restored but in true Preston style the town hall debates goes on for over 10 years as the building slowly falls into disrepair. In 1962 it is demolished and within two years is replaced by arguably the worst building in Preston, Crystal House.

1960 - Tulketh Hall is demolished having fallen into disrepair following a fire in 1952. The former stately home, vicarage, children's home, school, office complex and military site had stood since the 14th century but is torn down to make room.for housing.

1967 - Completion of 'Ringway' which literally cuts the town centre in half. Instead of guiding traffic around the town it directs it right into the one place you don't want it to be. Ramifications wise this is probably THE worst decision ever made by Preston Council and I can't see how it will ever be fully rectified. Cycle lanes either side of it certainly won't solve anything.

1969 - Preston becomes home to Europe's largest bus station. From conception to the the ribbon cutting questions are raised about its 3/4 mile distance from the railway station, even by the bus station's architects who got the response 'do you want the job or not'? Most will be aware of its recent history including its last minute listing to prevent demolition and the £23m it cost to keep it from falling down by itself.

1972 - Preston Public Hall, a 150 year old former Corn Exchange, hosts Rory Gallagher & Greenslade which turns out to be its final gig. The venue which saw the Beatles, Led Zepplin, David Bowie and many others play there, is immediately set for demolition as part of the Council's plans to expand the aforementioned Ringway. But these are thwarted by the Department for Environment who list the Public Hall as a site of 'special architectural interest'. However, again in true Preston style, all the listing leads to is the building standing empty for 14 years whereupon developers were able to claim the site unsafe and reduce the listed area to just the front facade. Everything else flattened.

1986 to 2010 - Plans to redevelop Preston go badly wrong or just dont happen.

The pedestrianisation of Fishergate causes so much disruption that some businesses close or move whilst upon completion, the street is labelled uninviting and too narrow. Construction of the Fishergate Centre sees yet more historic buildings demolished to make way for what becomes a 'uninspiring building totally lacking in character'.

Plans to develop the old Docklands fall flat on their face when half of Preston Council, including friend of the Oystons Frank McGrath, end up getting nicked under Operation Angel.

The much heralded Preston Tithebarn redevelopment goes the same way after a string of legal challenges from nearby shitholes Blackpool and Blackburn. The scheme is finally abandoned in 2011. Blackpool and Blackburn remain shitholes especially the latter.

Overall, it seems that Preston's town planning has been marred by a lack of foresight and a willingness to sacrifice historic buildings in the name of progress whilst major project wise, nothing happened until the 2013 City Deal was signed and sealed.

I just hope to god this Animate development happens and in turn injects new life into the Market and the city as a whole. The Guild Hall is also a vital cog but a one in a terrible state structurally due to extensive water damage and lack of upkeep.
 
Lack of a coherent and thought out long term plan. Very much the same at national level with the likes of the shambles of HS2.

Preston seems to have suffered from some awful town planning over the years...

1935 - The town's extensive tram network is pulled up. Admittedly by 1962 there were no trams outside of Blackpool but Preston really did get in early in what became a nationwide bout of short-sightedness.

1947 - Fire damages part of Preston's gothic town hall causing the clock tower to collaspe. Calls are made for the Sir George Gilbert Scott designed gem to be restored but in true Preston style the town hall debates goes on for over 10 years as the building slowly falls into disrepair. In 1962 it is demolished and within two years is replaced by arguably the worst building in Preston, Crystal House.

1960 - Tulketh Hall is demolished having fallen into disrepair following a fire in 1952. The former stately home, vicarage, children's home, school, office complex and military site had stood since the 14th century but is torn down to make room.for housing.

1967 - Completion of 'Ringway' which literally cuts the town centre in half. Instead of guiding traffic around the town it directs it right into the one place you don't want it to be. Ramifications wise this is probably THE worst decision ever made by Preston Council and I can't see how it will ever be fully rectified. Cycle lanes either side of it certainly won't solve anything.

1969 - Preston becomes home to Europe's largest bus station. From conception to the the ribbon cutting questions are raised about its 3/4 mile distance from the railway station, even by the bus station's architects who got the response 'do you want the job or not'? Most will be aware of its recent history including its last minute listing to prevent demolition and the £23m it cost to keep it from falling down by itself.

1972 - Preston Public Hall, a 150 year old former Corn Exchange, hosts Rory Gallagher & Greenslade which turns out to be its final gig. The venue which saw the Beatles, Led Zepplin, David Bowie and many others play there, is immediately set for demolition as part of the Council's plans to expand the aforementioned Ringway. But these are thwarted by the Department for Environment who list the Public Hall as a site of 'special architectural interest'. However, again in true Preston style, all the listing leads to is the building standing empty for 14 years whereupon developers were able to claim the site unsafe and reduce the listed area to just the front facade. Everything else flattened.

1986 to 2010 - Plans to redevelop Preston go badly wrong or just dont happen.

The pedestrianisation of Fishergate causes so much disruption that some businesses close or move whilst upon completion, the street is labelled uninviting and too narrow. Construction of the Fishergate Centre sees yet more historic buildings demolished to make way for what becomes a 'uninspiring building totally lacking in character'.

Plans to develop the old Docklands fall flat on their face when half of Preston Council, including friend of the Oystons Frank McGrath, end up getting nicked under Operation Angel.

The much heralded Preston Tithebarn redevelopment goes the same way after a string of legal challenges from nearby shitholes Blackpool and Blackburn. The scheme is finally abandoned in 2011. Blackpool and Blackburn remain shitholes especially the latter.

Overall, it seems that Preston's town planning has been marred by a lack of foresight and a willingness to sacrifice historic buildings in the name of progress whilst major project wise, nothing happened until the 2013 City Deal was signed and sealed.

I just hope to god this Animate development happens and in turn injects new life into the Market and the city as a whole. The Guild Hall is also a vital cog but a one in a terrible state structurally due to extensive water damage and lack of upkeep.
snigger.

Opaque you certainly arent but in fairness you and your one like need something to cling to, right now :)
 
Oh and blaming blackburn and Blackpool for the end of the Tithebarn project is stuff and nonsense.

The global financial crash led to large retailers like John Lewis finally pulling the plug and the project became financially unviable both for the local authority and the private investors like lend lease.

As for the tramways it was a national concensus that tramways were not needed as the the advent of the omnibus, which werent restricted to tracks, made far more sense, probably still does.

Modern tramways are far different to those that were built in the 1880s

We also need to remember that ringway was a county council decision, not a Preston one.

Preston Public Hall was also a county decision as it stood in the way of their planned ring road.

Pedestianisation of fishergate and the ringway works are also county decisions.
 
lets just say neither of us are apolitical :)
We're going to need more than that raef pal, I'm waiting for sav to come in effin n jeffin, kickin ur shins but in the meantime you could tell us what's going on. We'll treat it like a fight promo 🌚😜
 
We're going to need more than that raef pal, I'm waiting for sav to come in effin n jeffin, kickin ur shins but in the meantime you could tell us what's going on. We'll treat it like a fight promo 🌚😜
Ha, one thing Sav isnt is one who Effs and Jeffs, the only thing he'll beat is a drum. Could do with him back doing that too.
 
Ha, one thing Sav isnt is one who Effs and Jeffs, the only thing he'll beat is a drum. Could do with him back doing that too.
I know, sav seems sound tbf.. used to bang drums ont pne ? I remember the drums as a kid.. added to the atmosphere
 
Plans finally for the eyesore that is the abandoned land at Horrocks Mill.

Quite like this, you're never going to fill that area with visually striking high rises but some potential there for a really aesthetically pleasing cluster of semi high buildings.

Let's be honest, anything there is an improvement and hopefully this will pave the way along with The Exchange to revitalise that end of Church Street.

Plan unveiled for 380 new homes in walking distance of Preston City Centre

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Plans finally for the eyesore that is the abandoned land at Horrocks Mill.

Quite like this, you're never going to fill that area with visually striking high rises but some potential there for a really aesthetically pleasing cluster of semi high buildings.

Let's be honest, anything there is an improvement and hopefully this will pave the way along with The Exchange to revitalise that end of Church Street.

Plan unveiled for 380 new homes in walking distance of Preston City Centre

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Reading between the lines of this one it seems they intend to rehouse those living in the tower blocks in the new homes being built, that can only be a good thing.
 
Reading between the lines of this one it seems they intend to rehouse those living in the tower blocks in the new homes being built, that can only be a good thing.
Definitely. Those tower blocks are really outdated both in terms of safety and how they look.
 
I am surprised that Preston's development next to the market includes a cinema complex, most cinemas in the outer boroughs of London are folding and going out of business, I thought cinemas were almost defunct, a thing of the past.
 
I am surprised that Preston's development next to the market includes a cinema complex, most cinemas in the outer boroughs of London are folding and going out of business, I thought cinemas were almost defunct, a thing of the past.
Its shrinking but having a city centre venue is a great idea. A multi purpose one for plays and shit would be a massive draw.
 
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