Absolutely but imo this is where we will end up. Low vaccination rates would risk summer flights being able to take place, and travel companies can’t afford another summer with low numbersThey arent asking for a vaccine to fly. Its just marketing
Absolutely but imo this is where we will end up. Low vaccination rates would risk summer flights being able to take place, and travel companies can’t afford another summer with low numbersThey arent asking for a vaccine to fly. Its just marketing
True enough. As I said earlier private companies can do what they want.Absolutely but imo this is where we will end up. Low vaccination rates would risk summer flights being able to take place, and travel companies can’t afford another summer with low numbers
Because they are lying to us about their motives
They know most folks will say I can't afford/haven't got the time to get tested everyday and will opt for the vaccine. So the health passport pushes people into getting vaccinated.. which is what they intended all along ! Mess folks about.. don't cancel.. then cancel Christmas.. more scare stories about mutations.... end lockdowns bring in Tiers... and then after months of it offer them a way out.. and the vast majority will say "great let me have it". People who refuse it.. will be treated like lepers.
Every move ratchets us another step in the direction they want to take us.
They aren't yet confident enough to make the vaccine mandatory but they are heading in that direction.
Some utter stupidity in here. Dangerous stupidity at that.
Earlier you also condescendingly talked about face nappies - and that isn’t idle humour - it is carefully placed pejorative language, designed to ensnare the gullible. You draw people in with a few interesting counterpoints- but the mask slips on occasion. I suspect deliberately- classic controlling tactics.
Agreee, Sliper your a devious totalitarian spreading propaganda 'to ensnare the gullible'.
Highly dangerous you are so I think for the good of all freedom lovers, who already have sufficient access to the all the required state sanctioned information and opinions they need, this entire thread should be deleted immediately.
Damn I've been rumbled.. I'm actually Xi Jinping and I'm here practicing mind control tactics for world domination.
(Evil laugh)
Do you somehow see raef’s post above as supportive of your “ideas”?Thanks to St Tony and Prof Neil.. and a free vacation at the re-education camp
I can now put together a wicked stir fry and after a couple of jabs I suddenly am able to spot unfounded conspiracy theories and will no longer ever ever again mention....
"face nappies" !
D'oh !
Where are we with Covid-19 in England now that the new tiers have started?
TLDR: nowhere good and things are quite scary. 1/13
Firstly, overall cases are rising sharply. Over 40,000 people tested on 21st Dec, tested positive - just in *England*. (this is "specimen date", not "reporting date"). 2/13
Looking at it regionally, the SE is still the epicentre of new cases. London cases per 100K people now *much* higher than anywhere in the North in Oct/Nov.
BUT everywhere is going up. This is *not* just a Southern problem. 3/13
Hospital admissions reflect case patterns - except that the NE & Yorks never dropped very low before plateauing. London, SE and East shooting up past the NW and Midlands. This is only to 21st Dec - probably much worse already :-( . 2nd plot shows how fast London is rising. 4/13
Overall hospital occupancy as of 24th December was only a few hundred people below the April peak. It's probably already above, or will be within a day or two. And, unlike April, we are not controlling the rise yet. 5/13
Spare a thought for NHS frontline workers - already exhausted & traumatised - facing a rapidly worsening situation. We don't have unlimited docs, nurses or other frontline staff. They need our support. Why is this not in the media? 6/13
Will the new tiers be enough? In a word - no. Especially not after Christmas. The Tier 4 areas (inc the new tier 4) are shooting up still, but tiers 2 and 3 rising substantially too. This is not under control. 7/13
Let's look at the new Tier 3 and 4 areas (mostly South and midlands) - and how they compare to the old Tier 3 areas (mostly North and midlands). Look how fast new Tier 3 places are going up. With old Tier 3 going up *and* new variant spreading - we need national tier 4. 8/13
Christmas *will* have made everything worse - how can it not have? Test turnaround times have been getting much longer again, fewer people will get tests at Xmas, reporting will be slower... for the next week at least we cannot rely on the case data. Flying pretty blind. 9/13
Hospital data when it gets updated again (last updated on 24th) might help *but* reflects infections from 10 days or so earlier. But we desperately need an answer as to whether tier 4 is enough to bring R below 1. I don't know when we'll know. 10/13
And this is especially concerning as schools & unis due to start back in a few weeks. New paper from @LSHTM & @imperialcollege warned that Tier 4 with open schools & unis very unlikely to be enough. cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19…11/13
Estimated transmissibility and severity of novel SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern 202012/01 in EnglandCombining multiple behavioural and epidemiological data sources with mathematical models, we analysed the transmissibility and severity of novel SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern 202012/01 in England.https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/uk-novel-variant.html
We need a radical rethink of how we control the virus. The new variant is seriously bad news and, especially with Christmas, we are unlikely to have stopped it spreading across the country. Unfortunately I think the next 4-6 weeks are going to be pretty awful. 12/13
There really is no point in sugar coating it. If it weren't for the vaccine(s) I'd be seriously scared out of my wits. I still am pretty scared. The govt urgently needs a new plan - with national tier 4 being only the start. 13/13
Do you somehow see raef’s post above as supportive of your “ideas”?
Im not going to let you hide from the fact that you were the person, right at the start of this, who pushed the use of, "Face Nappies," for the "Psuedo Virus."Thanks to St Tony and Prof Neil.. and a free vacation at the re-education camp
I can now put together a wicked stir fry and after a couple of jabs I suddenly am able to spot unfounded conspiracy theories and will no longer ever ever again mention....
"face nappies" !
D'oh !
Do you somehow see raef’s post above as supportive of your “ideas”?
Nope..
1. Can a PCR test differentiate between live and dead virus ?
2. Can a PCR test differentiate between different types of corona virus ?
3. How many cycles were used in these tests ? (According to PCR's inventor anything above 30 is meaningless)
4. And if PCR can't differentiate how do you know what the true "positive" number is ?
5. What is the False Positive Rate for these tests ?
6. Why would anyone call PCR positives a "case" or an "infection" if the answer to 1 & 2 is "no" and 3 is "above 30" ?
7. Given the doubts about PCR.. Dover lorry driver testing only 1 in 434 lorry drivers had positive LFT test; yet latest ONS survey (using PCR) says 1 in 8 population currently positive. How would you explain this discrepancy ? One of these tests is clearly providing wrong figures.
9. What evidence is there of asymptomatic transmission of the Covid 19 as alleged by Matt Hancock ?
10. What evidence is there to support the use of face masks by the public ?
11. What proportion of hospital admissions were admitted for other treatment ? Then tested positive and became "Covid patients" ?
12. What is the status ICU use at the moment and how does this compare to previous years ?
13. If we are in second wave comparable or exceeding last spring why are Nightingale Hospitals largely unused ?
14. What is the total annual UK mortality compared to the last five years ?
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So the figures of infection are made up?Twitter appears to be restricting access to this article.. but it can be found in the web archive
University of Florida study finds no evidence of asymptomatic or pre symptomatic spread.
University of Florida researchers find no asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread - Alachua Chronicle
The study, conducted by the UF Department of Biostatistics, found that the secondary attack rate for asymptomatic index cases was not statistically different from zeroweb.archive.org
Remind me again why we are all forced to wear masks and limit contact with our families ?
Twitter appears to be restricting access to this article.. but it can be found in the web archive
University of Florida study finds no evidence of asymptomatic or pre symptomatic spread.
University of Florida researchers find no asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread - Alachua Chronicle
The study, conducted by the UF Department of Biostatistics, found that the secondary attack rate for asymptomatic index cases was not statistically different from zeroweb.archive.org
Remind me again why we are all forced to wear masks and limit contact with our families ?
You've outdone yourself with this one. Have you read anythng bar the headline? In fact don't answer, I know you won't have
"The Alachua Chronicle"...you can see why they pulled the article I presume as the headline and the content aren't even the same?
Odd that your conclusion is mask wearing is wrong and the study conclusion says we should be wearing masks at home as well whilst you are sat watching TV with your family. I mean well done on missing the point spectacularly
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Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2
This systematic review and meta-analysis examines evidence for household transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), disaggregated by several covariates, and compares it with other coronavirusesjamanetwork.com