Deflection

[Liberation]

Call me cynical.......... The Yanks all of a sudden kill a nutcase ( donkeys years later) , they start sabre rattling in Taiwan and wobble the chinese, the war in Ukraine and our own domestic fuel crisis ( and it really is a crisis ) with those holding all the cards getting richer.... What a perfect time for a world war where the the plebs snuff it and the rich get even richer ( that's what wars do )....

No Illuminati? Hmmm... There is but they might not call themselves that anymore.....Look over there folks because that's what's happening. And it's a bit bigger than Brexit and the monkeys that run this Country... Hang on to your hats.

 

[Liberation]

PS..........On a different note....... All the professional footballers getting abused by nuggets on twitter..Stop fecking tweeting you thick feckers. Problem solved.

 

[jakehake]

It’s always deflection. Someone is posting on another thread about unelected EU commissions being dangerous whilst simultaneously seemingly having no issue their Prime Minister gets picked by 120k unelected crackpots with a subscription to something that isn’t National Geographic

 

[northender0602]

The plebs are getting smart, let’s have a war and put them in their place. 👍

 

[Regardless]

Call me cynical.......... The Yanks all of a sudden kill a nutcase ( donkeys years later) , they start sabre rattling in Taiwan and wobble the chinese, the war in Ukraine and our own domestic fuel crisis ( and it really is a crisis ) with those holding all the cards getting richer.... What a perfect time for a world war where the the plebs snuff it and the rich get even richer ( that's what wars do )....

No Illuminati? Hmmm... There is but they might not call themselves that anymore.....Look over there folks because that's what's happening. And it's a bit bigger than Brexit and the monkeys that run this Country... Hang on to your hats.

There's cynicism... there's extreme misguided cynicism.... and then there's this ^^^^

Not saying that a world war is impossible, but to imply that it's a conspiracy of some rich folk is just too too much.

 

[Soapy]

There's cynicism... there's extreme misguided cynicism.... and then there's this ^^^^

Not saying that a world war is impossible, but to imply that it's a conspiracy of some rich folk is just too too much.

Imagine when first generation Twitter users retire and have too much time on their hands.

 

[outreacher]

Call me cynical.......... The Yanks all of a sudden kill a nutcase ( donkeys years later) , they start sabre rattling in Taiwan and wobble the chinese, the war in Ukraine and our own domestic fuel crisis ( and it really is a crisis ) with those holding all the cards getting richer.... What a perfect time for a world war where the the plebs snuff it and the rich get even richer ( that's what wars do )....

No Illuminati? Hmmm... There is but they might not call themselves that anymore.....Look over there folks because that's what's happening. And it's a bit bigger than Brexit and the monkeys that run this Country... Hang on to your hats.

“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running ​

in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.” CS Lewis​

I watched a video earlier with Mike Maloney (Precious metals expert), he said the US is poking the Russian Bear and the Chinese Tiger, forgetting they are in the cage with them.

These are very dangerous times, I reckon, not only is the world heading into the biggest recession ever, the chance of global war is accelerating every day. It is total insanity, countries are being run by totally unqualified people, that basically haven't a clue what they are doing.

The rich might think they are safe in today's shit show, but they aren't. The crash of the global economy is going to hit the wealthy as well., including those criminals and thieves that operate in the financial sector.

This Mike Maloney video, is somewhat boring, but gives an insight into the financial mess that is going on in the world today.

I am not a big fan of Maloney, but I subscribe to emails from his company, because I did a bit of dabbling into Gold fluctuations, not much really, and this guy always predicted right.

How China Could Trigger Recession Into a Full-Blown Depression​

 

[Portishead]

I watched a video earlier with Mike Maloney (Precious metals expert), he said the US is poking the Russian Bear and the Chinese Tiger, forgetting they are in the cage with them.

These are very dangerous times, I reckon, not only is the world heading into the biggest recession ever, the chance of global war is accelerating every day. It is total insanity, countries are being run by totally unqualified people, that basically haven't a clue what they are doing.

The rich might think they are safe in today's shit show, but they aren't. The crash of the global economy is going to hit the wealthy as well., including those criminals and thieves that operate in the financial sector.

This Mike Maloney video, is somewhat boring, but gives an insight into the financial mess that is going on in the world today.

I am not a big fan of Maloney, but I subscribe to emails from his company, because I did a bit of dabbling into Gold fluctuations, not much really, and this guy always predicted right.

How China Could Trigger Recession Into a Full-Blown Depression​

Im pretty sure the very rich and powerful have already worked out that the world govts are never going to work together to resolve the pending climate catastrophe. And they are therefore just situating to best place themselves, families and friends away from the worst effects. As those effects bite, its hard to see thet wont trigger war over resources and geography. Much lesser issues have done so in the past. Im back off to sleep now for a better dream.

 

[outreacher]

Im pretty sure the very rich and powerful have already worked out that the world govts are never going to work together to resolve the pending climate catastrophe. And they are therefore just situating to best place themselves, families and friends away from the worst effects. As those effects bite, its hard to see thet wont trigger war over resources and geography. Much lesser issues have done so in the past. Im back off to sleep now for a better dream.

You never know, one of these fine days, there might actually be a politician that emerges that realises, conflict costs billions, and serves no purpose, other than to make arms manufactures rich. Maybe even get a politician that actually comes up with an idea to pursue peace, and that war doesn't do anyone any good, just kills a lot of innocents.

Maybe even discover that we can actually do some good by making peace an objective and might be beneficial to mankind, sink some money into developing, agricultural projects and clean water facilities in areas of depravation. Could even start looking at things that could be beneficial to the planet, such as housing people and creating jobs.

Probably take some doing though, firstly we need to rid the world of the dick-heads in charge, the ones that know fuck all about anything and think aggression is the way forward.

Unfortunately, we are in a situation that those who are elected to govern, appear to be intent on destroying the planet and are totally oblivious to the fact that it is down to them to reverse the eventual catastrophic climax.

 

[Portishead]

You never know, one of these fine days, there might actually be a politician that emerges that realises, conflict costs billions, and serves no purpose, other than to make arms manufactures rich. Maybe even get a politician that actually comes up with an idea to pursue peace, and that war doesn't do anyone any good, just kills a lot of innocents.

Maybe even discover that we can actually do some good by making peace an objective and might be beneficial to mankind, sink some money into developing, agricultural projects and clean water facilities in areas of depravation. Could even start looking at things that could be beneficial to the planet, such as housing people and creating jobs.

Probably take some doing though, firstly we need to rid the world of the dick-heads in charge, the ones that know fuck all about anything and think aggression is the way forward.

Unfortunately, we are in a situation that those who are elected to govern, appear to be intent on destroying the planet and are totally oblivious to the fact that it is down to them to reverse the eventual catastrophic climax.

Maybe. But as long as good people nod along, but then jump in their 4 by 4s and shout abuse at the nearest cyclist, we'll have to wait.

You can see what happened here yesterday, and most days when Im just riding along minding my own business. Have you seen how angry most every motorist looks. Turning off the internet worldwide might be a good start

 

[Flippin_lump]

Call me cynical.......... The Yanks all of a sudden kill a nutcase ( donkeys years later) , they start sabre rattling in Taiwan and wobble the chinese, the war in Ukraine and our own domestic fuel crisis ( and it really is a crisis ) with those holding all the cards getting richer.... What a perfect time for a world war where the the plebs snuff it and the rich get even richer ( that's what wars do )....

No Illuminati? Hmmm... There is but they might not call themselves that anymore.....Look over there folks because that's what's happening. And it's a bit bigger than Brexit and the monkeys that run this Country... Hang on to your hats.

We need another napoleon.

People just accept the disparity between the poor and rich because it seems an impossible task to change anything.

Government's don't hold the power either, big business does. Globalisation accelerated the gap between rich and poor. Energy companies and social media giants should pay for public services. Billions in profit whist people struggle to make ends meet. How fucking broken is the system. Or maybe it's not broken and this was the plan all along.☠️

 

[outreacher]

Maybe. But as long as good people nod along, but then jump in their 4 by 4s and shout abuse at the nearest cyclist, we'll have to wait.

You can see what happened here yesterday, and most days when Im just riding along minding my own business. Have you seen how angry most every motorist looks. Turning off the internet worldwide might be a good start

That is your view as a cyclist, my experiences are different regarding 'Good People' of society.

Nowadays physically I am knackered although only in my early 70s, disabled, you could say, although I am in denial somewhat, I haven't quite come to terms with it. Last week I had to go for an appointment at a hospital and had to use a bus, all the seats were taken, and at the front of the bus where the disabled seats are situated, a group of 2 families occupied eight seats, young parents with kids, not one offered to give up a seat, I found that very strange, mind you this is London a place where courtesy and manners are seldom seen.

Other things that piss me off in today's society, not sure if it is the same in Preston, but if you are waiting for something, queues are ignored, people ignore the queuing system and just queue-jump without a thought. Sometimes I feel I am odd, when I hold a door open for someone and say 'after you'. It isn't just motorists that show no understanding, it is prevalent in all encounters with people in day to day life.

The way to behave taught to me by my parents and mentors whilst growing up, the way to behave and have consideration for others seem to be disappearing, it's sad really because if consideration of other people was adhered to, it would make day to day existence a bit more pleasant for all.

 

[Flippin_lump]

Maybe. But as long as good people nod along, but then jump in their 4 by 4s and shout abuse at the nearest cyclist, we'll have to wait.

You can see what happened here yesterday, and most days when Im just riding along minding my own business. Have you seen how angry most every motorist looks. Turning off the internet worldwide might be a good start

To be fair there is a lot of discourteous cyclists around.. when cyclists make a real effort to share the road I slow down and give them the thumbs-up. Arseholes on both sides it's just that there's a lot more cars on the road than bikes so we see more motorist arseholes

 

[Sepp Blatter]

You never know, one of these fine days, there might actually be a politician that emerges that realises, conflict costs billions, and serves no purpose, other than to make arms manufactures rich. Maybe even get a politician that actually comes up with an idea to pursue peace, and that war doesn't do anyone any good, just kills a lot of innocents.

Maybe even discover that we can actually do some good by making peace an objective and might be beneficial to mankind, sink some money into developing, agricultural projects and clean water facilities in areas of depravation. Could even start looking at things that could be beneficial to the planet, such as housing people and creating jobs.

Probably take some doing though, firstly we need to rid the world of the dick-heads in charge, the ones that know fuck all about anything and think aggression is the way forward.

Unfortunately, we are in a situation that those who are elected to govern, appear to be intent on destroying the planet and are totally oblivious to the fact that it is down to them to reverse the eventual catastrophic climax.

One interesting subplot is that large corporations and wealthy people are buying up swathes of agricultural land. The US and Holland are two that are known about, and various governments and organisations (The World Bank, IMF, and EU) pressured Ukraine into lifting its moratorium on the sale of farmland. Have to work through a lot of misleading information and political bickering to find out about it, but it does appear to be happening.

And I have a feeling that it isn't for our benefit.

 

[zorro]

Im pretty sure the very rich and powerful have already worked out that the world govts are never going to work together to resolve the pending climate catastrophe. And they are therefore just situating to best place themselves, families and friends away from the worst effects. As those effects bite, its hard to see thet wont trigger war over resources and geography. Much lesser issues have done so in the past. Im back off to sleep now for a better dream.

I don't subscribe to the climate change "catastrophe" as it is based on extreme case modelling (think Neil Ferguson's Covid models, but worse) which, based on information to date, are not being borne out in practice. That said, I accept climates will change, that we need to act sustainably where it makes sense to do so and also bear in mind climate change isn't "hedge-able" (ie there is no safeguarding downsides if the "catastrophe" happens). Unfortunately, until the USA, China, India and Russia take action what we do in the UK is largely irrelevant. Ironically, 3 of these 4 nations are the current "war-mongers" so might it be that their aggressions are to deflect from the fact they are doing, and will do, sod all about climate change? I think not.

Charlie Munger, a business partner of Warren Buffet, is famous for the quote "Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome." So what is the incentive for these Politicians and corporates? I'd say they are all driven by short-term self-interest - retention of power, re-election (politicians) and profit (corporates). Imo, the politicians are panicking (as they did during pandemic) because their approval ratings are plummeting amidst the cost of living crisis which they created. With their power slipping away, they thus decide they need to "do something" and it appears deflection via war-mongering is what some have chosen. Lunatic stuff imo.

In addition, corporates keep doing what they are incentivised to do - using any and every opportunity presented to them to maximise short-term profits and the WEF, well that is one that puzzles and concerns me most as I am not sure what their incentive is (they are not elected and are not a corporate). Sepp's point about the land grab (mainly agricultural, but note lots of housing being bought up by banks too) is a worry. I don't see that playing out well in longer term - and can see what happened in South Africa (farms being removed from owners by angry mobs) repeating itself, albeit on a global scale and minus the racial tension.

 

[Sepp Blatter]

I don't subscribe to the climate change "catastrophe" as it is based on extreme case modelling (think Neil Ferguson's Covid models, but worse) which, based on information to date, are not being borne out in practice. That said, I accept climates will change, that we need to act sustainably where it makes sense to do so and also bear in mind climate change isn't "hedge-able" (ie there is no safeguarding downsides if the "catastrophe" happens). Unfortunately, until the USA, China, India and Russia take action what we do in the UK is largely irrelevant. Ironically, 3 of these 4 nations are the current "war-mongers" so might it be that their aggressions are to deflect from the fact they are doing, and will do, sod all about climate change? I think not.

Charlie Munger, a business partner of Warren Buffet, is famous for the quote "Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome." So what is the incentive for these Politicians and corporates? I'd say they are all driven by short-term self-interest - retention of power, re-election (politicians) and profit (corporates). Imo, the politicians are panicking (as they did during pandemic) because their approval ratings are plummeting amidst the cost of living crisis which they created. With their power slipping away, they thus decide they need to "do something" and it appears deflection via war-mongering is what some have chosen. Lunatic stuff imo.

In addition, corporates keep doing what they are incentivised to do - using any and every opportunity presented to them to maximise short-term profits and the WEF, well that is one that puzzles and concerns me most as I am not sure what their incentive is (they are not elected and are not a corporate). Sepp's point about the land grab (mainly agricultural, but note lots of housing being bought up by banks too) is a worry. I don't see that playing out well in longer term - and can see what happened in South Africa (farms being removed from owners by angry mobs) repeating itself, albeit on a global scale and minus the racial tension.

Agree with most of that post - the only bit to quibble about is the renewable energy - the US, China, and India are doing quite a lot about climate change - they are catching up with the percentage of renewable sources used in their energy mix. They should meet the 2050 target pretty easily, and may even meet it by 2040. Russia is the exception because fossil fuels are so cheap - but, even there, they desperately need to upgrade their ageing electricity systems and it makes sense to do so with renewable energy in mind.

 

[Regardless]

Agree with most of that post - the only bit to quibble about is the renewable energy - the US, China, and India are doing quite a lot about climate change - they are catching up with the percentage of renewable sources used in their energy mix. They should meet the 2050 target pretty easily, and may even meet it by 2040. Russia is the exception because fossil fuels are so cheap - but, even there, they desperately need to upgrade their ageing electricity systems and it makes sense to do so with renewable energy in mind.

Really? I thought China was still BUILDING coal fired power plants? I hope you’re right though.

@zorro - a lot of the post I also agree with but I take issue with the opening premise that the predicted climate change is only a catastrophe if some outlandish modelling extremes come true. Sounds like burying head in sand to me. Our children (and our younger forum members are in for a shitshow that will drive wars over resources- quite aside from other driving forces.

 

[outreacher]

Really? I thought China was still BUILDING coal fired power plants? I hope you’re right though.

@zorro - a lot of the post I also agree with but I take issue with the opening premise that the predicted climate change is only a catastrophe if some outlandish modelling extremes come true. Sounds like burying head in sand to me. Our children (and our younger forum members are in for a shitshow that will drive wars over resources- quite aside from other driving forces.

This could influence 'Net Zero' as well.

China’s sweeping claims of sovereignty over the sea—and the sea’s estimated 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas—have antagonized competing claimants Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam. As early as the 1970s, countries began to claim islands and various zones in the South China Sea, such as the Spratly Islands, which possess rich natural resources and fishing areas.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/5-things-didnt-know-south-china-sea-conflict/

 

[Sepp Blatter]

Really? I thought China was still BUILDING coal fired power plants? I hope you’re right though.

@zorro - a lot of the post I also agree with but I take issue with the opening premise that the predicted climate change is only a catastrophe if some outlandish modelling extremes come true. Sounds like burying head in sand to me. Our children (and our younger forum members are in for a shitshow that will drive wars over resources- quite aside from other driving forces.

They are, seeing it as a short term measure to cope with demand. Not ideal at all, but we are talking about meeting the net-zero by 2050 target. India is in the same boat.

They are also building a hell of a lot of renewable sources and developing energy storage - making them well on course to hit their targets. Of course, things can change suddenly, as we found out in the past few months, but the idea that they are making no effort at all is being used by some in the west as an excuse to do nothing, IMO.

Renewables are generally cheaper to install now, plus you don't need as many expensive transmission lines. Storing the energy is the issue - once we have cracked that, then the pace of reform will increase sharply.

 

[outreacher]

One interesting subplot is that large corporations and wealthy people are buying up swathes of agricultural land. The US and Holland are two that are known about, and various governments and organisations (The World Bank, IMF, and EU) pressured Ukraine into lifting its moratorium on the sale of farmland. Have to work through a lot of misleading information and political bickering to find out about it, but it does appear to be happening.

And I have a feeling that it isn't for our benefit.

The farming land is often converted to single crop industrial farming, causing havoc to the soil and insect life, the US has to import bees to pollinate the crops, and destroys millions of bees in the process, parasites destroy the bees along with the insecticides. The Almond and Soya Bean industrial production isn't good for nature, might be good for profit.

Too much imbalance, and it isn't good for the Ecosystems.