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Korol

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Big believer that it should only be done if people a) want to and b) belive in it otherwise it is an empty gesture. Dont want it to be turned into something that is forced the way the poppy nazis do

I think it's completely an empty gesture no matter who does it. Been happening too long now to think otherwise IMO. Not that I'll lose sleep when they do take the knee.
 
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I think it's completely an empty gesture no matter who does it. Been happening too long now to think otherwise IMO. Not that I'll lose sleep when they do take the knee.
It's an empty gesture in that nothing is being done to change anything but for those that truly believe in the BLM cause no issues with it continuing.

It's a little different over here in that in America the anthem is played before each sporting event.
 

Korol

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It's an empty gesture in that nothing is being done to change anything but for those that truly believe in the BLM cause no issues with it continuing.

It's a little different over here in that in America the anthem is played before each sporting event.

When do we stop taking the knee then?

'When equality is achieved'.

Who is the judge of that? There will always be some who don't think that's the case whatever happens. Guess we should all just take the knee every game until the end of time.
 

pnewortham

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When do we stop taking the knee then?

'When equality is achieved'.

Who is the judge of that? There will always be some who don't think that's the case whatever happens. Guess we should all just take the knee every game until the end of time.
Tricky one this. But I do know a fair few footballers have been made to look a bit silly the last couple of months by kicking off at the first whistle and sprinting up the pitch. Rooney did it last week against us. Kicked the ball, realised his mistake, dropped onto his knee in our half.
 

Bobthesock

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Blackburn in big win with Dolan impressing again. Apparently they have played Newcastle and Bournemouth off the park the last 2 games just couldn't get the goals.
Can see them pulling away from us tbh 🥺
 

jamesOB

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Blackburn in big win with Dolan impressing again. Apparently they have played Newcastle and Bournemouth off the park the last 2 games just couldn't get the goals.
Can see them pulling away from us tbh 🥺
Who told you they played them off the park. Were they Blackburn fans by any chance
 

No Danger

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Blackburn in big win with Dolan impressing again. Apparently they have played Newcastle and Bournemouth off the park the last 2 games just couldn't get the goals.
Can see them pulling away from us tbh 🥺
Some people have been predicting that for the last 5 seasons. They have been afforded a bigger budget than us but I sincerely hope we finish above them again. Far too early in the season to make a proper assessment but expect, as in the past couple of seasons, there won't be much in it.
If we signed a 15 goal a season striker (some hope I know!) we would be comfortably in front.
 

sedgwick__7

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English football is divided over whether it is still relevant to ‘take a knee’ before matches.

What began during Project Restart as a unanimous gesture of support for the anti-racism movement after the shocking death of George Floyd in America in May, is now causing confusion for many players.

Several clubs have decided that it will lose significance if continued indefinitely and on Saturday in 16 out of 37 matches in the top four divisions, players did not kneel before kick-off.

It went ahead in all four Premier League matches and at every game in the Championship except Norwich v Preston. But the picture was less clear in League One and League Two where the majority did not take a knee. Out of 23 matches in the lower two leagues players did not take the knee in 15 of them.

QPR have reiterated their commitment to fighting racism and social injustice after their players and Coventry’s declined to take the knee, as has been habitual in televised games, before Friday night’s Championship clash on Sky TV.

Manager Mark Warburton and chief executive Lee Hoos have both spoken in support of player protests to highlight racial inequality.

But they insist that taking the knee is an issue for players and that the club should be judged their record rather than the gesture itself.

Both teams agreed with the referee that they weren’t going to take the knee before the game and Warburton said: ‘We have absolute respect for such an important cause and all of our players, to a man and staff, followed the lead [last season] and took the knee.

'Some teams have been saying at the end of lockdown, that we’ve done it now. So we’re saying there should be guidance from the EFL.

‘When I came off the pitch last night and was made aware that some were saying QPR’s behaviour might have been inappropriate, I was appalled.

‘We had the first game against Nottingham Forest last week and both clubs said: “We’ve done it. We’re full of respect for the cause but we don’t want it to become a token gesture.” Our players are saying: “Are we doing it every game?”

‘As in the clap for carers, it tends to lose its power over time. But when clap for carers stopped, there’s no less respect for carers.

‘We abhor all forms of discrimination and I don’t think there’s a more-diverse club in football. It’s important that we’re seen to have BAME [Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic] representation, given the work we do in our community, which is a very diverse. Any suggestion that the club has acted inappropriately should be met with a powerful response on our part.’

Hoos was adamant that the stance of the players was not an endorsement of those seeking to belittle taking the knee or the message behind Black Lives Matter.

He said: ‘People who say “All Lives Matter” just don’t get it and to suggest that QPR support that kind of thinking that would be perverse.’

After their match with Bournemouth on Saturday, Middlesbrough’s assistant Kevin Blackwell said: ‘Myself and people from Bournemouth spoke about it and we decided we would both take a knee.

‘We need guidance from the Football League about this. There’s a point now where we have got to decide “is this relevant? Are people getting the meaning across?” I would like to see people now do things about it rather than sit down and talk about it. We need actions taken for the right reasons.’

Sheffield Wednesday and Watford took the knee at Hillsborough and Owls boss Garry Monk said: ‘We want to keep awareness of it in the spotlight and not let it fade away.’ Brentford’s Thomas Frank added: ‘I didn’t know some teams didn’t do it, I think it’s a good cause and we all should support it.’

 

KeithLard

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It has clearly run its course, it was a bit of an empty virtue-signal to begin with, and nobody seems to know how to stop properly - mainly the media, who's chalk and cheese approach is pissing me right off. Do it = anti-racist. Don't do it = racists.

NO, as QPR have said - real action is needed and that is what they have been doing, and others should follow suit. Good to see our game didn't do it.

I am a supporter of tackling ACTUAL racism - and you don't tackle it with virtue-signalling, and you don't sort anything with calling all people who don't do something racist. The notion of "white privilege" has seeped into everything is seemingly now unquestionable. Personally, I'd say that blanket-covering all white people with one-term is, well, pretty racist.

Tackle the racists. Stop them. Ostracize them. Social media companies need to do waaaay more.
 
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