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I do believe he will go so far then people will become sick of him
Possibly, but for now I think, as a country, were actually getting an opposition that is finally worthy of the name. I honestly wonder would we have had as much open and frank debate debate about tax credits and now the syria crisis under under the former Labour leadership?
 
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Possibly, but for now I think, as a country, were actually getting an opposition that is finally worthy of the name. I honestly wonder would we have had as much open and frank debate debate about tax credits and now the syria crisis under under the former Labour leadership?

The Syria bombing was voted out before Corbyn and it was far beyond Corbyn that the tax credits got voted out
 
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Yes , they can suffer with the plebs - I ll pay the cost difference.

Seriously , should be cheapest of course - it's our money .

Yeah but the story would be run in the mail 'civil servants travel 1st class whilst someone commits suicide solely because of cuts'

Because they don't deal with the actual facts
 

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Possibly, but for now I think, as a country, were actually getting an opposition that is finally worthy of the name. I honestly wonder would we have had as much open and frank debate debate about tax credits and now the syria crisis under under the former Labour leadership?

Agree, pretty much..but think on those two major and pressing issues, he has been on his own ground...and public opposition and or cynicism was pretty nailed on.

Thornier developments will prove the real test.
 
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Agree, pretty much..but think on those two major and pressing issues, he has been on his own ground...and public opposition and or cynicism was pretty nailed on.

Thornier developments will prove the real test.

Good point. He hasn't really had to try to hard to rally the troops on these topics
 
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Good point. He hasn't really had to try to hard to rally the troops on these topics
I honestly believe both would have been nodded through on former leadershios. the Tax credit one already had been by the party being whipped to abstain to allow free passage for the welfare reform bill.

I dont know what can be much more thorny than risking the lives our people to fight a war in syria.
 
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I honestly believe both would have been nodded through on former leadershios. the Tax credit one already had been by the party being whipped to abstain to allow free passage for the welfare reform bill.

I dont know what can be much more thorny than risking the lives our people to fight a war in syria.

These didn't go through because of Corbyn though. He hasn't had to fight too hard on these.
 

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Here we go, you are the main accuser of people yet youve just come on to a topic and got personal. You cant help yourself can you?

do you believe the media doesnt, at best, attempt to mislead opinion? Or are you here to start yet another bitchfest?

The first bit didn't make sense Theo.

All media play the game, but the vast majority can see that. You don't give credit to people to be able to think for themselves or use various means to form an opinion.
 
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Its how it works.

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Its how it works.

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I saw this last night and commented elsewhere that there are a lot more primary reasons for war than Corbyn's decision to allow a free vote - the headline clearly illustrates your point.

It will be interesting to see what headlines there are on Thursday. Undoubtedly some Labour MPs will vote in favour of air strikes and almost certainly some Tories will vote against if they don't get the answers they want tomorrow - but one group have a free vote and the other will be voting against the whip. I wonder which party will be headlined as in crisis?
 
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Does it get much lower than this?

Does it get much lower than this?

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Sun investigator manages to smuggle himself to Paris without a passport http://thesun.uk/6016BTKW6

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British journalist who claimed to have reached Paris from Turkey undetected had passport checked twice, say Croatian police.

A journalist working for British tabloid The Sun reported several days ago that he managed to travel from Turkey to Paris in just six days without showing his passport even once. The path that he had allegedly taken was similar to the route which was used by some of the people responsible for recent terrorist attacks in Paris and is used by many of the refugees and migrants on the so-called Balkan Route, reports Index.hr on December 6, 2015.
In the part of his story concerning Croatia, Emile Ghessen wrote that, after his train was stopped at the border with Croatia, he hid in a toilet in the train. He left the door unlocked so that it would appear that it was not occupied. "The police never checked the toilet. Four hours later I was in Zagreb and spent a night in a hostel", Ghessen wrote in his article. Afterwards, he changed several trains and finally arrived in Paris.
However, Croatian Interior Ministry claims that his story is made up. "Police Directorate denies part of the article published on the website of the British newspaper The Sun (ARTICLE UPDATE - The Sun appears now to have taken the original article offline), which claims that a journalist managed to pass through Croatia without being checked by the Croatian border police. In fact, Croatian border police registered Emile Pierre Ghessen on 23 November at 2.10 pm at the Tovarnik railway border crossing where he entered the Republic of Croatia, and on 24 November at 5.20 pm at the Zagreb Airport border crossing, where he exited the Republic of Croatia." As evidence, the Ministry published a scan of his passport made during border checks.
"I am glad when the police quickly finds liars like these, so-called professional journalists, and catch them lying about hiding in a toilet where they belong, together with the newspapers which employ them", Croatian Interior Minister Ranko Ostojić wrote on Facebook.
From midnight to 9 am on Sunday, 2,089 migrants entered Croatia and they were temporarily accommodated at the refugee reception centre in Slavonski Brod. From the beginning of the migration crisis, 471,552 migrants and refugees have passed through Croatia.



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The card is a simple photo of a bicycle outside Queensway tube station, taken when London was snowed under in 2009. Splashes of festive red are added by a traditional phone box and a traffic light in the background, and the message 'Merry Christmas'.
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[h=1]Daily Express Issue Correction After Ipso Uphold Complaint About Article On English In Schools[/h]


The Daily Express has been forced to admit a story in which it claimed the English language was dying out in schools was inaccurate.
A complaint was made about the article by Jonathan Portes, of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research which was upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso).

The "special investigation" from July 24th, under the splash headline "311 languages spoken in our schools", also claimed that English-speaking pupils were "becoming a minority in hundreds of classrooms".


The article claimed English "is starting to die out" in schools where it is "hardly heard at all" and where "foreign languages have overtaken English."
This was blamed by the tabloid on a "decades-long open door policy on immigration".
But Ipso ruled these statements to be "completely unsupported by the data the newspaper had cited", breaching Clause 1 (Accuracy) of the Editors’ Code of Practice.
Ipso also highlighted that this was a "particularly concerning case" as the claims had been "repeated throughout the entire article, including prominently in the front-page sub-headline, and because they were central to the report, on a matter of significant importance".
The tabloid was forced to publish a correction on its front page but you had to look very hard to see it...

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The full apology appeared on page 2

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Following the publication of an article in The Daily Express on 24 July 2015, headlined “311 languages spoken in our schools”, Jonathan Portes complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation that The Daily Express had breached Clause 1 (Accuracy) of the Editors’ Code of Practice. The complaint was upheld, and IPSO required the newspaper to publish this adjudication.
The front page article reported that English “is starting to die out” in schools. It also reported that there are some schools where English-speaking pupils are “becoming a minority”; where English is “hardly heard at all”; and where “foreign languages have overtaken English”. The article said that this was taking place due to an “open door” immigration policy, and referred to Department for Education (DfE) data about specific schools in relation to these claims.
The complainant said that the article’s central claims were inaccurate. It also inaccurately suggested that in some schools, lessons are not taught in English. The data referred to by the newspaper only recorded a pupils’ first language; it did not say that those pupils would be unable to speak English. Further, English is the language of instruction in all maintained schools in England.
The Daily Express accepted that the article may have suggested inaccurately that pupils who did not speak English as a first language could not speak English at all, and that English is not spoken in some classrooms. It said that when reading the article as a whole, the inaccuracies would not have significantly misled readers. It offered to publish a correction both online and in its “Amplifications & Corrections” column on its letters page.
The Complaints Committee found that the article’s claims that English “is starting to die out” in schools and that English was “hardly heard at all” in some schools were completely unsupported by the data the newspaper had cited. These claims distorted the data cited by the newspaper, which did not include any information about the frequency with which English was spoken in schools, by either pupils or teachers.
This was a particularly concerning case because the inaccuracies had been repeated throughout the entire article, including prominently in the front-page sub-headline, and because they were central to the report, on a matter of significant importance. The newspaper’s defence that the article was not misleading when read as a whole did not demonstrate that the newspaper had taken care to report the data accurately. The complaint was upheld as a breach under Clause 1.
The Committee was also concerned by the newspaper’s proposals to correct the inaccuracies in its “Amplifications & Corrections” column on its letters page. There was no information published on this page to signal to readers that this was where the column would normally appear, and the column itself was published infrequently. Given its position in the newspaper, the letters page was not an otherwise sufficiently prominent location for the proposed correction, since the article had appeared prominently on the front page. This aspect of the complaint was also upheld under Clause 1.


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Aaaaaaaand, there it is!

Aaaaaaaand, there it is!

It is there, honestly :)

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