Match Day - Wigan Athletic v PNE - 30/07/21 - KO: 19:30 - Friendly

Doyler

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Yes, this was our second team, but it was very concerning that you could only pick three players from the XI who are definitely Championship standard - Browne, Sinclair, & Bauer.

It just beggars belief that we still have players playing who have proven time and time again that they are not good enough for this club. Maguire, Harrop, Rafferty, & Hudson to name a few.

The likes of Maguire and Harrop in particular should be embarrassed that they have been outshone by a new, presumed fairly unfit lad from Brig who is on trial.

We also need to sell Bayliss whilst he still has at least some value to his name.
 

simonnisbet

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Yes, this was our second team, but it was very concerning that you could only pick three players from the XI who are definitely Championship standard - Browne, Sinclair, & Bauer.

It just beggars belief that we still have players playing who have proven time and time again that they are not good enough for this club. Maguire, Harrop, Rafferty, & Hudson to name a few.

The likes of Maguire and Harrop in particular should be embarrassed that they have been outshone by a new, presumed fairly unfit lad from Brig who is on trial.

We also need to sell Bayliss whilst he still has at least some value to his name.
Yes they all have to go. No clean slate because this is pre season, they’ve had their chance, they’re not good enough and time to hold your hand up and say enough’s enough. Add Ripley to that list as well.
The lad from Brig has done everything that has been asked of him so its a yes from me. we can clear enough dead wood out of the 25 to fit him in.
 

Mr Meeseeks

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I went last night and like I said earlier in the thread, I was in the Wigan end cause the father in law is a Pie Eater.

I said ahead of time to him they’d win as it would be the second string and then when the team sheets came out it was confirmed already in my head.

Wigan were like Bolton, a decent L1 outfit who will go well this season and have a massive spring in their step as well as some decent players at that level. They played fairly well and on balance deserved it although we dominated in little spells in both halves.

As for us, the score line is annoying, particularly when sat in a Wigan end hearing “they’re shite these lot” and “Championship, you’re having a laugh” but I don’t think we were terrible, it just amplified our great need for a decent striker and better quality in depth.

Maguire spearheading any attack is useless. He has his uses to this squad but it’s not leading the line, that’s for sure. Always pushed off the ball, second in the air and seemingly born in an offside position.

Jamie Thomas looked our best player in honesty. Some great touches, switches of play and the through ball for the goal was sublime. He was also unlucky not to score with Amos pulling one of a few worldies which on another day fly in.

Harrop played okay, some tidy passing and again forced Amos into a good save. Plus his free kicks weren’t far off at all from quite some distance. But ultimately he seemingly lacks any game changing skill or turn of pace. Browne was a standout in midfield, turning on the ball and bringing it out of dangerous positions.

Sinclair was a mixed bag. Some rustiness at the start and lazy tracking etc but some of his runs to the byline were fantastic, he just has no one to find in the middle unfortunately, where you’d want a top striker to be running in.

Earl looked bright and again could have scored but for a big Amos save. Bauer was steady as was Sepp. Rafferty looked limited as usual and unfortunately Hudson doesn’t look anywhere up to standard.

Fair play to the young lads that came on, Lewis Leigh I thought would get bullied by Max Power but held his own to a degree and then Rodwell-Grant, what a finish son against an in form Amos, took it so cool and calm, fair play.

So yeah, a mixed bag. Our first string comes on there and it’s a different story and with Iversen or Rudd in goal it’s not that scoreline. But it drastically highlights the need for a striker and how many bang average players we’re carrying.
 

ernest

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Maguire spearheading any attack is useless. He has his uses to this squad but it’s not leading the line, that’s for sure. Always pushed off the ball, second in the air and seemingly born in an offside position.

Well thankfully people are beginning to realise that - hopefully FM will now as well. The way Maguire played last night epitomised everything I have been saying about him for a good while now. Yes he showed some battling qualities and when he dropped deep and received the ball with his back to goal he could still play a neat ever clever little lay-off - I will stress again that there is nothing wrong with his attitude and commitment. But he has totally lost the pace and sharpness that once made him such a dangerous striker - was there a single occasion when a forward pass to him produced anything more at most than a return ball from him back to where it originated and often enough not even that? His ability to run onto a through ball, get ahead of a defender and head for goal has now totally evaporated - as a striker at Championship level he simply no longer registers. Harsh as it seems that verdict is unavoidable. I am not certain what uses he now could now have - Iooking for knockdowns if we were lumping balls forward to a big centre forward maybe even playing just behind the strikers but that is hardly where we are short. Frankly he just cannot now offer enough at this level to justify even a place in the squad - I genuinely wish I did not have to say that because I remember what an exciting player he once was but I just do not see that any other conclusion is possible.
 

Mr Meeseeks

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Well thankfully people are beginning to realise that - hopefully FM will now as well. The way Maguire played last night epitomised everything I have been saying about him for a good while now. Yes he showed some battling qualities and when he dropped deep and received the ball with his back to goal he could still play a neat ever clever little lay-off - I will stress again that there is nothing wrong with his attitude and commitment. But he has totally lost the pace and sharpness that once made him such a dangerous striker - was there a single occasion when a forward pass to him produced anything more at most than a return ball from him back to where it originated and often enough not even that? His ability to run onto a through ball, get ahead of a defender and head for goal has now totally evaporated - as a striker at Championship level he simply no longer registers. Harsh as it seems that verdict is unavoidable. I am not certain what uses he now could now have - Iooking for knockdowns if we were lumping balls forward to a big centre forward maybe even playing just behind the strikers but that is hardly where we are short. Frankly he just cannot now offer enough at this level to justify even a place in the squad - I genuinely wish I did not have to say that because I remember what an exciting player he once was but I just do not see that any other conclusion is possible.
Hard to disagree with you. He’s seemingly a cracking lad and works very hard but he’s not fit for purpose at this standard post injury.

Lumping it forward to him will never work, that’s not his fault, that’s tactical and on the gaffer. But he has some great through balls put to him at times, proper defence splitters and his first instinct is to check back and give the defender a second chance, one they usually snap up, as opposed to carrying on the run through to the keeper.

I feel for him because when he first arrived he was quick, nimble and deadly in front of goal. But now unfortunately he lacks all those qualities.
 

ernest

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Hard to disagree with you. He’s seemingly a cracking lad and works very hard but he’s not fit for purpose at this standard post injury.

Lumping it forward to him will never work, that’s not his fault, that’s tactical and on the gaffer. But he has some great through balls put to him at times, proper defence splitters and his first instinct is to check back and give the defender a second chance, one they usually snap up, as opposed to carrying on the run through to the keeper.

I feel for him because when he first arrived he was quick, nimble and deadly in front of goal. But now unfortunately he lacks all those qualities.

He has actually lacked them for quite some time. Anyhow if last night made that obvious then it served some point.

On the upside the lad Rodwell-Grant looked like he could be something special. Could he and young Mawene be a new Elwiss and Bruce?
 

Pumba

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Hmmm. Not sure I’d leave if I were him to be honest. Looks like he’s going to be involved this season (probably sporadically but will trump playing in an U23 team for 2/3 years IMO) and will be able to play some football when he doesn’t make the squad thanks to our new reserve team (at a considerably lower level than the U23s though it has to be said).

I guess the only thing playing on his mind might be the absence of a professional contract here. I’m sure the security of a 3/4 year contract at a very reputable Prem club would appeal in those circumstances.
 

Thracia

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Hmmm. Not sure I’d leave if I were him to be honest. Looks like he’s going to be involved this season (probably sporadically but will trump playing in an U23 team for 2/3 years IMO) and will be able to play some football when he doesn’t make the squad thanks to our new reserve team (at a considerably lower level than the U23s though it has to be said).

I guess the only thing playing on his mind might be the absence of a professional contract here. I’m sure the security of a 3/4 year contract at a very reputable Prem club would appeal in those circumstances.
Lancs Live are asking the question today too - "He is only a second-year scholar who is yet to be awarded a professional contract, unlike Josh Seary and Noah Mawene":

 

Kitman

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I'd stay if I was Lewis Leigh. Get the first team reps he surely going to get and would have more teams coming in for him. At the moment I doubt he would be anything other than an U23 player and then possibly loaned out to a team like us anyway. Stay, settle into men's football with a manager like FM who loves him and then earn a Prem move when he's 20/21 with 3 years of real football experience. Plus we can sell for some £££ like an normal football club.
 

tcinders

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I do mate, yeah. That was basically our reserve team and a couple of kids.

With Evans, Riis, Cunningham, Potts, Hughes, Whiteman, DJ, Ledson, Lindsay, Iverson/Rudd and Storey etc. .. We would have dismantled that Wigan side.

I get that we definitely still do need attacking additions and a bit of work here and there but let's not pretend that starting XI will be the same one we field against championship opposition.

I do share some of your concerns though.
The thing is Ridsdale made an error of judgement saying " the job was McAvoys to lose" this has backed us in a corner.
To me we needed a fresh approach, I watched the friendlies and don't see any positives.
We are replying on players that haven't really cut it last season, how many chances to break through do they need.
Granted the players last night appear to be second choice but they need to step in during a long season. Surely the 2 keeper's need to go along with 6 or7 mediocre outfield players on show. I guess the big problem is off loading them. Our problem is we are not ruthless as a club and keep muddling along taking the easy options.
 

Lee Trundle

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Hard to disagree with you. He’s seemingly a cracking lad and works very hard but he’s not fit for purpose at this standard post injury.

Lumping it forward to him will never work, that’s not his fault, that’s tactical and on the gaffer. But he has some great through balls put to him at times, proper defence splitters and his first instinct is to check back and give the defender a second chance, one they usually snap up, as opposed to carrying on the run through to the keeper.

I feel for him because when he first arrived he was quick, nimble and deadly in front of goal. But now unfortunately he lacks all those qualities.

It's been said for a while that he wouldnt get in a top half league one team. Last night we played against a top half L1 team and he was dominated.

When Rodwell-Grant came on, he was more physical, made smarter runs and when put in on goal drove forward and finished smartly. I have 0 confidence Maguire would have even got a shot off in that scenario, let alone scored.

Ok, the system maybe didnt suit him, but what system actually would? He doesnt have the skillset to threaten L1 defenders, so what chance has he got a level above.

I think Rodwell-Grant should be above him in the pecking order
 

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That’s a really good finish, but watch how he times his run too, picks up space and keeps himself in line in case the pass comes through. Think only Sinclair would have the movement to do that out of our other options
Tbf, I'm sure Riis would kill for a pass like that, he loves playing on the shoulder of the defender. Think Seani is trying to do too much when he's off the ball.
 

jamesOB

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Tbf, I'm sure Riis would kill for a pass like that, he loves playing on the shoulder of the defender. Think Seani is trying to do too much when he's off the ball.
Maybe, but both Riis and Maguire get caught offside a lot, so I’m not sure Riis would’ve managed to keep himself in line like that.
 
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