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Monarchy

Should the monarchy be abolished?


  • Total voters
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The emphasis was on both the age of the quote, and the fact he was an Irish, socialist republican. But you ignored that bit didn’t you? I wonder why?

Hardly a hot take is it from such a man?
Stop wriggling. You dismissed the quote because of the age of it. The fact that he was a republican, a socialist and irish is neither here nor there. Every political opinion comes from someone who has their own personal stance. The fact that you dismissed the quote, without engaging with it in any way, is what I expect from you tbh. You really haven't grasped what debate is even after all these years.
 
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James Connolly wasn’t an Irish republican by any chance was he ??
 
I am not pretending that there is no merit in your argument- or even that I am definitely right. And as stated at the outset, the concept of hereditary monarchy is obviously not “fair”. But imo, you’re reeling off attacks at a primarily symbolic target, because they have wealth and wear a hereditary crown. And you’re looking longingly at the green grass on the other side of the valley.

You rail against a power and wealth divide - and blame “ancient traditions” and seem to think that the fact our constitution isn’t written is important. I see no connection between the monarchy and the latter. And the meaningful effects of ancient traditions are, largely, for the birds.

Key question: In what fundamental ways are the UK’s power/ wealth divide any different to those in other countries? Take the diverse permanent members of the UN Security Council, for example. USA? China? France? Russia?

Reading through info on wealth and power, equality is actually BETTER in the uk than 3 of those and roughly on a par with France. Looking at all countries, there is evidence that we are quite a lot better than average and I see no discernible correlation between republics and equality (though that’s an impression rather than an analysis).

Inequality does not need a monarchy to thrive - as the USA, Russia and China and many many more countries illustrate. Equality is related to national political will. Perhaps you should seriously consider whether aiming at the “easy” royal target is letting the real culprits off the hook.

Wait till Nadine becomes a dame.
 
I really struggle to grasp why people have an issue with our constitutional monarchy. It is completely and utterly harmless in the modern world and the queen has been nothing but a force for good, for the country, for the commonwealth, and for the world. . I cannot see Charles causing anyone any harm either.

A head of state that is apolitical and has no real powers has got to be more unifying than a president. Imagine the leaders at the last election standing.. President Corbyn or President Johnson anyone ? 2 of the most divisive figures guaranteed to split the country.

As sad as the queens death is, I have enjoyed learning about the history , the formalities, and how the “ sovereign” passes seamlessly to the next monarch.

It is fairly obvious for all to see that the monarchy is already being massively slimmed down. Charles other siblings will become an even lesser irrelevance. His speech may have announced his love for Harry and Meghan as part of his family, but the hidden message was that they now belong in the US and have nothing to do with this “firm“. It’s about Charles, William, Kate, and their 3 kids going forward.
 
I really struggle to grasp why people have an issue with our constitutional monarchy. It is completely and utterly harmless in the modern world and the queen has been nothing but a force for good, for the country, for the commonwealth, and for the world. . I cannot see Charles causing anyone any harm either.

A head of state that is apolitical and has no real powers has got to be more unifying than a president. Imagine the leaders at the last election standing.. President Corbyn or President Johnson anyone ? 2 of the most divisive figures guaranteed to split the country.

As sad as the queens death is, I have enjoyed learning about the history , the formalities, and how the “ sovereign” passes seamlessly to the next monarch.

It is fairly obvious for all to see that the monarchy is already being massively slimmed down. Charles other siblings will become an even lesser irrelevance. His speech may have announced his love for Harry and Meghan as part of his family, but the hidden message was that they now belong in the US and have nothing to do with this “firm“. It’s about Charles, William, Kate, and their 3 kids going forward.
It's not a soap opera I watch but from what I've seen it's pretty fucking weird. If we'd had an elected head of state for the last 70 years we'd have had some good ones but also a fair few knob heads.
The thought of our current media being let loose if we had a vote to elect a head of state, and how gullible a lot of our folk are, is quite terryfing.
So, despite me voting against having a monarchy we can't do it until a lot of the electorate stop being morons.
 
It's not a soap opera I watch but from what I've seen it's pretty fucking weird. If we'd had an elected head of state for the last 70 years we'd have had some good ones but also a fair few knob heads.
The thought of our current media being let loose if we had a vote to elect a head of state, and how gullible a lot of our folk are, is quite terryfing.
So, despite me voting against having a monarchy we can't do it until a lot of the electorate stop being morons.
Is that where you derived your username from, a Corrie, EastEnders fan, or you just bathe and get covered in suds?
 
Stop wriggling. You dismissed the quote because of the age of it. The fact that he was a republican, a socialist and irish is neither here nor there. Every political opinion comes from someone who has their own personal stance. The fact that you dismissed the quote, without engaging with it in any way, is what I expect from you tbh. You really haven't grasped what debate is even after all these years.
Oh fuck off Essex. He was the leader of the fucking 1916 Easter Rising for fucks sake. And his description of the monarchy was that of a monarchy from over 100 years ago, and even further back, when they played a very different role. How the fuck his quote has any relevance to the modern day British monarchy is beyond me.
 
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