I thought that had been changed now though and all the cases where it had been used knocked off the total? Isn't the current figure just for those who've died within 30 days of a positive test?
I know very little but I would imagine when the discussion ref refunds took place the question “is there any chance” was asked of the were that be and probably answered hence the whole process of refunds was rather quickGiven what Oliver Dowden didn't say on his interview this morning on the BBC was a clear indicator there is no plans to even look at this area until cases reduce which doesn't look any time soon.
He stated that since October 1st they have not "eased any restrictions" and that it would be "inappropriate" to allow fans into stadiums.
Dan Walker did push him on the Science and rationale between Indoor events being allowed and outdoor not but he didn't give an answer.
Whilst I think that fans may end up in the lower leagues at some point I have pretty much written this season off in terms of attending a championship football match.
I think it is fair to question the death statistics as defining a cause of death is not straightforward, even with a post mortem. It is also difficult, if not impossible, to draw firm conclusions from death statistics (in particular over a short term) - at best you can infer certain trends in medium to long term (eg reduced infant mortality due to medical advancement or reduced mortality due to less people smoking).@jamesOB
I am not a denier. The virus exists, let me clarify my position on that before it gets out of hand.
I am questioning the recordings of the deaths.
Those that died BECAUSE of C19. Singular cause.
Those that died WITH C19. Multiple causes.
Bottom line, I do not trust this government one iota. They have a history of Lies, Hypocrisy (Cummins, etc), Favouritism, etc.
In Boris We Trust!!
Hallelujah. (the bit in bold)I think it is fair to question the death statistics as defining a cause of death is not straightforward, even with a post mortem. It is also difficult, if not impossible, to draw firm conclusions from death statistics (in particular over a short term) - at best you can infer certain trends in medium to long term (eg reduced infant mortality due to medical advancement or reduced mortality due to less people smoking).
If we had better data, we'd segment deaths as JD suggests. I think the ONS recently reported 91% of Coid19 deaths had an underlying health problem. But even in these cases there could be differences eg someone going into hospital with a serious heart problem, contracting Covid19 whilst in hospital and then dying. Alternatively, you could have someone who contracts a bad case of Covid19 who dies in hospital and whilst in hospital they find he/she has a lung disease. Persons in both cases die with comorbidity, inc Covid19, but I'd suggest primary cause was only correct for the latter.
Whilst on the subject of better data, I think the reporting of positive test results as "cases" is scandalous. As a bare minimum these results need splitting between positives with symptoms and positives without symptoms. Not doing this does make you think there is a mind control agenda.
And as for trust, well mine disappeared in early April and I'm ashamed to say I voted for these bar stewards.
Did he talk about whether he had a good time at the Ballet yesterday? He’s a hypocritical prick.Given what Oliver Dowden didn't say on his interview this morning on the BBC was a clear indicator there is no plans to even look at this area until cases reduce which doesn't look any time soon.
Sorry should have qualified my second para above..the London Palladium event had 700 people (30%) capacity in a 2,200 seater theatre.....masks were compulsory, temperatures taken, seats allocated, even door handles were changed to ones with ions that kill bacteria. Personally I absolutely agree that it appears totally unbalanced and wrong allowing this to go ahead.....but the comparison I was seeking to make is with , say, an average 20% gate being allowed into a Champ ground..that would give gates of around the 4,000 to 5,000 mark at most clubs....and spread out making matters more difficult to control but using the same concourses, exits etc.
I don't expect politicians to give scientific explanations...politicians are experts on nothing except having a view on how others should live their lives.
Whilst it does seem contradictory going ahead with some indoor events at least to date there have been no large scale ones...nothing comparable to even a 20% Champ football fixture and none, of which I am aware, in areas with high and growing Covid rates..
You can make what you will of clinical stats all the time...they can only ever be guidance at the beginning of the process someone is interpreting clinical data and you can never expect everyone to hold the same view,
I don't agree that reporting Covid should be divided between those showing symptoms and those not doing so......for a start only those showing symptoms should be seeking tests and even if this is not the case there is no way of knowing, at the time of testing, if the person goes on to develop symptoms given what we know about the incubation period for this virus.
More alarmingly the government are now not acting on the advice of the scientists, they are taking a punt on the nations future health.Dr Hillary on Good Morning Britain today stated you are far more likely to catch the virus indoors than outsider.
Government listening to medical experts Yeh but only when their advice suits their agenda.
Got to believe there's much more to this than we are aware of
In your opinion...But, returning to the thread, a petition of this sort will simply be put in the bin in the current circumstances. ...and it should be as well.
One of the most annoying things about the current situation is that most of the things that are closed are actually safer than your average workplace, it's just that the government's fine with exposing us all to the virus as long as we're working and making money for one of their rich mates. No coincidence that pubs that serve food can stay open in Liverpool given the fact that Mr Wetherspoons Tim Martin has donated money to the Tory party.In your opinion...
Putting the whole COVID debate to one side, I'm fairly certain as Norky mentions above, the club could easily accommodate 250 fans per stand, with all the relevant safety measures in place. In fact, I suspect that would be even safer then your average workplace right now.
You're just another one of those with obsessed COVID tunnel vision, completely ignoring the other impact's this may be having on people, such as mental health for starters.