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PNE Academy/Central League Thread 23/24

Missed the updates recently, thanks as always.
Concern reading knowledgeable comments above on what appears to be a complete about face regards youth development.
Sorry, against the club’s stated youth development aims & ambitions.
Until someone realises a new dome doesn’t fall within FFP & the potential benefits investment in youth can provide for the team, youth players & PNE coffers, we will continue to shed talent, with less prospects wanting to be here in the first place.
It’s not only at the top where change is needed.
 
Missed the updates recently, thanks as always.
Concern reading knowledgeable comments above on what appears to be a complete about face regards youth development.
Sorry, against the club’s stated youth development aims & ambitions.
Until someone realises a new dome doesn’t fall within FFP & the potential benefits investment in youth can provide for the team, youth players & PNE coffers, we will continue to shed talent, with less prospects wanting to be here in the first place.
It’s not only at the top where change is needed.
They know. They’re just using it as an excuse because most fans won’t know otherwise
 
After todays win the top five clubs.

Team
PLD
W
D
L
F
A
+/-
PTS
1​
PNE
16​
13​
0​
3​
54​
35​
+19​
39
2​
Accrington Stanley
16​
11​
1​
4​
51​
38​
+13​
34
3​
Morecambe
15​
10​
2​
3​
38​
22​
+16​
32
4​
Bolton Wanderers
15​
9​
2​
4​
38​
23​
+15​
29
5​
Wrexham
15​
9​
1​
5​
36​
30​
+6​
28
 
Missed the updates recently, thanks as always.
Concern reading knowledgeable comments above on what appears to be a complete about face regards youth development.
Sorry, against the club’s stated youth development aims & ambitions.
Until someone realises a new dome doesn’t fall within FFP & the potential benefits investment in youth can provide for the team, youth players & PNE coffers, we will continue to shed talent, with less prospects wanting to be here in the first place.
It’s not only at the top where change is needed.
I think this is more to do with Ridsdale than any of our managers - though Neil never really encouraged them at all.

PR downgraded the academy to cat 3 when he first came to the club (the new categories where just about to start) against the wishes of the Academy leads at that time.
 
I think this is more to do with Ridsdale than any of our managers - though Neil never really encouraged them at all.

PR downgraded the academy to cat 3 when he first came to the club (the new categories where just about to start) against the wishes of the Academy leads at that time.
I know this is the case, but how do you actually downgrade an academy?

From what I've read on here, a key thing we would need in order to have Cat 2 is an indoor dome thingy, but we didn't have one before?
 
I know this is the case, but how do you actually downgrade an academy?

From what I've read on here, a key thing we would need in order to have Cat 2 is an indoor dome thingy, but we didn't have one before?
It's always about money Muzza. By downgrading you defund the operation of the academy. Less staff required. Less hours of coaching. Lack of various age groups e.g. an U-23 squad.

The results of such heavy handed cost cutting can be seen in the last decade in terms of the number of scholars who've actually gone on to start a league game for North End. (Earl & Best)

The indoor dome is a more recent development in terms of it now being a requirement of attaining Cat 2 status. But, apart from the dome we would need to fund a U-23 squad and hire more staff and invest more time and money in it all.

But our very wealthy ownership simply don't wish to do any of that. They want to talk about "aspiring" for Cat 2 without perspiring from the hard work & long term strategy required. And if challenged on their reasoning they cry poverty.

When asked about the club funding a dome Ridsdale has said "at the moment we didn't have that money spare, versus signing a striker or two or a midfield player." Even though building a dome would have zero effect on our FFP and thus our ability to buy a striker or two.

The club as a whole just doesn't seem to understand youth development. To Ridsdale its mocked as "ballet dancing" or "far removed from the challenges that men’s football brings with it".

Here's Lowe in one of his motor mouth interviews completely misinterpreting the function and benefit of an actual u-23 academy squad...

"We have a 23s with us now that is with us most days. Gally will take them for afternoon sessions or we'll do sessions after training. Just because we haven't got an U23s doesn't mean we don't utilise it ... but our focus has to be all on the first team because U23s don't get you promoted or in the play-offs."

We've certainly not made the championship playoffs under this ownership. And we are unlikely to when we demonstrate such a gruntish attitude to youth development and club infrastructure.
 
It's always about money Muzza. By downgrading you defund the operation of the academy. Less staff required. Less hours of coaching. Lack of various age groups e.g. an U-23 squad.

The results of such heavy handed cost cutting can be seen in the last decade in terms of the number of scholars who've actually gone on to start a league game for North End. (Earl & Best)

The indoor dome is a more recent development in terms of it now being a requirement of attaining Cat 2 status. But, apart from the dome we would need to fund a U-23 squad and hire more staff and invest more time and money in it all.

But our very wealthy ownership simply don't wish to do any of that. They want to talk about "aspiring" for Cat 2 without perspiring from the hard work & long term strategy required. And if challenged on their reasoning they cry poverty.

When asked about the club funding a dome Ridsdale has said "at the moment we didn't have that money spare, versus signing a striker or two or a midfield player." Even though building a dome would have zero effect on our FFP and thus our ability to buy a striker or two.

The club as a whole just doesn't seem to understand youth development. To Ridsdale its mocked as "ballet dancing" or "far removed from the challenges that men’s football brings with it".

Here's Lowe in one of his motor mouth interviews completely misinterpreting the function and benefit of an actual u-23 academy squad...

"We have a 23s with us now that is with us most days. Gally will take them for afternoon sessions or we'll do sessions after training. Just because we haven't got an U23s doesn't mean we don't utilise it ... but our focus has to be all on the first team because U23s don't get you promoted or in the play-offs."

We've certainly not made the championship playoffs under this ownership. And we are unlikely to when we demonstrate such a gruntish attitude to youth development and club infrastructure.
Nice one, thanks! Well, not 'nice one', but you know what I mean! :D
 
Might be wrong but isn't he only getting the odd minute with Crewe?
Todays LEP.

"After spending the first half of the season with Bromley, the PNE man earned a loan move up to League Two side Crewe. But, North End's boss recently admitted Leigh wasn't getting the game time hoped. There is still time to change that, but Leigh will want to improve on his 23 minutes across the four Crewe matches so far. There was hype around the midfielder when he first emerged and he's now at an important stage of his career. Right now, you'd expect there to be some honest conversations in the summer to decide where Leigh's immediate future lies."
 
Todays LEP.

"After spending the first half of the season with Bromley, the PNE man earned a loan move up to League Two side Crewe. But, North End's boss recently admitted Leigh wasn't getting the game time hoped. There is still time to change that, but Leigh will want to improve on his 23 minutes across the four Crewe matches so far. There was hype around the midfielder when he first emerged and he's now at an important stage of his career. Right now, you'd expect there to be some honest conversations in the summer to decide where Leigh's immediate future lies."

Meanwhile, Ryan Lowe is perfectly happy with Ben Woodburn's three minutes across the past four PNE matches...
 
I know this is the case, but how do you actually downgrade an academy?

From what I've read on here, a key thing we would need in order to have Cat 2 is an indoor dome thingy, but we didn't have one before?
When the new cats were being formulated and coming into action our YT heads at the time (Ramsdale & Hoyland) were desperate for our 'improving' academy to be CAt 2....
no idea if a dome was a requirement then, it was more about catchment areas and staffing...... Ridders made them settle for CAt 3.... then appointed GW to complete the destruction......Ramsdale and Hoyland soon left after those two took the academy backwards..
 
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