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Matchday Thread PNE v Salford City - 08/08/23 - KO:7:45 PM - EFL Cup

winning breeds winning a winning mentality, to deliberately send a side out knowing it wasnt your best starting 11 is on lowe, fans can say oh only the cup but sorry that 11 up to 60 mins looked like strangers after saturdays decent display last night starting 11 was a shambles & an insult to the 8k who went. we are newcastle under ashley bollocks to the cups for a distraction its all about staying in the league
I don’t think he had a lot of room for manoeuvre given our injuries and paper thin squad, tbh. He’d have got absolutely crucified (more so) if he played a strong team and we got injuries to key players or they look exhausted on Saturday.

I’m not Lowe’s biggest fan, but I think it was a case of Hobson’s choice last night… and we would have won it barring a shit linesman.
 
I don’t think he had a lot of room for manoeuvre given our injuries and paper thin squad, tbh. He’d have got absolutely crucified (more so) if he played a strong team and we got injuries to key players or they look exhausted on Saturday.

I’m not Lowe’s biggest fan, but I think it was a case of Hobson’s choice last night… and we would have won it barring a shit linesman.
I agree, we looked stronger when Watmough moved to right centre back and Holmes came on the left. I thought that both Keanes goals where onside, especially the second one. It shouldn't have gone to penalties.
 
Always nice to make progress in cup competitions but they're not the be all and end all for me. Wins bring kudos and some cash and that's ok. And we should really have put last night's game to bed in the second half but it's gone now and I'm not losing any sleep over it. To me the leagues's the thing we need to concentrate on this season so I'm happy we gave the youngsters some valuable pitch time last night ( Best looks really promising and I think we'll be seeing quite a bit of him). And I'm happy we came through without any injuries ahead of Saturday which is going to be a tough game for us. 3 points on Saturday will help banish any disappointment lingering from last night.
Don't disagree, but we could and should have progressed, still rotating the squad and resting players, like I said , win and put up a decent performance Saturday a last night is put in the cupboard,not to be reopened.
 
@Ron Burgundy

In an earlier post today, you said that Bauer blocked the view of Whatmough when the video in this link shows quite clearly his view (JW) was clear as day, there was nobody blocking him as he made that awful pass.

Not after an argument, just stating a fact as the eye test in the video shows.
It's pretty clear he absolutely fucked up his backpass, hit it with his heal rather than instep, shouldnt have been attempting it in the first place. shame you need to make it clear to the poster it's not an argument also.
 
Seeing Bristol City rattling in their 5th goal got me thinking what can be achieved if you put a decent team out. Not like the clown we have in charge.
 
Just watched highlights. Plenty of smiles and pleasantries exchanged with Salford at the final whistle. Wheres this winning mentality? Wage deductions and a good bollocking.

You’ve got to die for 3 points. (Or a tinpot win)
 
I’ll try to be as objective as possible about Ledson. I thought he did a couple of things well last night, I distinctly remember saying well done Ledson a couple of times.

My biggest problem with him is that he just thinks he’s far better than he is. Every single pass he tries to make the most difficult pass in the world, if he just kept it simple he’d be an average championship midfielder.

After he underhit that pass to Best, he had the audacity to have a go at Best. Then Best shanked a cross into the town end and Ledson spent a full 30 seconds berating him. He’s so arrogant it’s unbelievable really.

My objectivity didn’t last very long but I genuinely think he’s my least favourite North End player of all time. By no means is he the worst, but he’s definitely top 3 least likeable.


As for the game itself, meh. Shite first half, only Holmes played well. Second half was better and we absolutely dominated but couldn’t get a winner (although Keane’s 2nd looked well onside I thought), basically a carbon copy of the game on Saturday.
Think we got two perfectly good winners. Maybe clubs need to have a go at officials when
 
Maybe I have missed something, but I would like to comment on the officials.

Top topic is clearly time wasting and kicking the ball away , ok, but not at the expense of ignoring handballs, lines man being way behind play (Sir Tom Finney side) and allowing opposition to take free kicks from , what, ten yards from where offence takes place.

it will all return to normality soon !
 
Onside. Not that it matters now.
Only just catching up so sorry if its been said but i bet this is the silly any part of the body rule, i cannot tell properly but maybe its his arm (eagle eyes from the lino if that's what it was).
I've said it before but basically the game is football so its where the position the feet are that should distinguish offside, or not.
Plus it will be easier for the linesman in the EFL if that's basically what they have to focus on.
 
If we'd have beat Salford we would have been a different ball number (15) as they were allocated alphabetically. So we'd have got Stoke away.
 
This was a disappointing and frustrating result - I like cup competitions. Taking a broad view of things we have been reasonably successful in this competition over recent years and so it was probably just a matter of time before we went out at the first hurdle for a change. If you look at results in the first round of this competition quite a few Championship sides lose to lower league opposition. The reason isn't difficult to identify - the Championship sides put out weakened teams while the lower league sides see it as a chance for a bit of glory and put out full-strength sides who are hyped up and give it all they have got. There was a spectacular example just up the road from me here in South East London where Millwall, notoriously difficult to beat at their place, actually got tonked 4-0 at home - at least that didn't happen to us.

As for what happened to us I admit I had a bad feeling about this match beforehand and it was not helped by RL's selection. Now don't get me wrong - I have stressed repeatedly that we have an exceptionally talented group of youngsters at the moment and one of the thing for which I will commend RL is that he seems to recognise that and be willing to give them some first team action. But to put four of them on the field from the start against a team that may not have been as skillful as us (though their goalscorer showed some coolness in the way he got their second - would he be worth a punt) but was just bigger and stronger was asking for trouble - it was literally men against boys. Two youngsters at a time would have been better and only one of them in central midfield where the ability to win the ball is so crucial. Hopefully that is a lesson RL has learned.

Otherwise the positive thing from the night was the performance of Holmes who has surely earned himself a start tomorrow. If we can get the points then we will be able to write off this last match as just of those things. Let's move on.
 
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