Policing of Blackpool Game - Meeting with Lancs Police

Eccywhite

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I am not going to get into a debate about various supporters groups who can speak for themselves as can FTF.

After being invited by the match commander I went along with another long term PNE Online member as we witnessed and experienced in various issues throughout the day. We also wished to raise a number of points which where discussed at length on the forum.

Prior to the meeting I asked anyone to contact me if they had any specific issues to raise, no secrecy or ego bigging up here, not sure how spending 4 hours in a heated debate at Preston police station would boost mine or anyone else's ego.

To be clear we where invited by the Police as they where aware of the issues on the day. In my view it would have been a poor do not to go and hear them out.

I went along as I was livid with how we where treated and also with concern for any other football fans should the same issues arise for them in the future.

Nothing to do with losing the game (that's a totally different matter) if you didn't have a negative experience at the game then that is good news. Sadly many hundreds of supporters didn't.

The reason we have initially put out that summary was agreed between everyone that was there, we didn't want to have a he said, she said, they said type blame game response.

I am more than happy to answer any indervidual questions and have already contacted directly some fans who asked me to raise some issues.

We discussed the attitude of the police officers on duty, the delays on fans making kick off, official coaches missing the kick off. Issues on entering and egress of the temporary stand. The crowd management in the stadium and the holding and release of fans which met the home supporters.

I hope this negates some of your comments.
I’m sorry but if you want to spend 4 hours with the police “representing” fans then that is your choice. The likelihood of any changes being made is minimal. You talk of the way police officers spoke to people as though this is something new, this happens everywhere when crowd control is required and especially at football matches and more so when people have been drinking since 11 in the morning. You then add in the factor that some of our fans smash up the toilets (and TV sets at the weekend) and we wonder why the police adopt and less than conciliatory approach. Not sure what the police can do about the shit hole of a stand other than make representation to the relevant ground safety bodies which won’t happen. I was on the ground well before ko so didn’t see any of the delays. I’m not really trying to be argumentative but I really can’t see the point of such a meeting - I’ve been to grounds all over the country since the mid seventies and seen far far worse policing than at this match. You say that the result is not related but I still suggest that had we won no one would have given a toss about the state of the stand, the entrance and exists or that some copper was a bit rude or didn’t know the locale very well.
 
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I’m sorry but if you want to spend 4 hours with the police “representing” fans then that is your choice.
I don't claim to have been representing anyone but myself and the forum members who asked me to raise some issues.

The likelihood of any changes being made is minimal. You talk of the way police officers spoke to people as though this is something new, this happens everywhere when crowd control is required and especially at football matches and more so when people have been drinking since 11 in the morning.

There are ways you police young lads out on the piss and looking for trouble. There are ways you police and speak to more vulnerable or just folk who want to attend a football game.

It's 2021 not 1974.

I can assure you Lancashire Police and their public order training does not involve telling elderly and vulnerable supporters to go forth and multiply when asking where the away end is.

You then add in the factor that some of our fans smash up the toilets (and TV sets at the weekend) and we wonder why the police adopt and less than conciliatory approach.
The smashing up of the toilets is totally unacceptable and the actions of morons who should be prosecuted and banned.

That doesn't however mean that all football fans at the game should be treated as if they are criminals.

Not sure what the police can do about the shit hole of a stand other than make representation to the relevant ground safety bodies which won’t happen. I was on the ground well before ko so didn’t see any of the delays.

I've not mentioned the issues with the stand or clear issues with Blackpools GSO and stewarding in this statement.

I’m not really trying to be argumentative but I really can’t see the point of such a meeting - I’ve been to grounds all over the country since the mid seventies and seen far far worse policing than at this match.

Which is fair enough but its the worst I've seen in about 20 years. The supporters present and the police themselves are keen that no such issues happen again.

Lancashire Police and particularly Preston Police have a great reputation as opposed to some other forces and it would be a shame for that to only be experienced by away fans at Deepdale and not when we travel away with out own force.

You say that the result is not related but I still suggest that had we won no one would have given a toss about the state of the stand, the entrance and exists or that some copper was a bit rude or didn’t know the locale very well.

Again, you are only speaking from your experience of the day.

I didn't expect to be invited to meet the police, not sure any other force would have done so. None of the fans present pushed for it we were invited and I felt it was a decent thing to do.

If this means that PNE fans or football fans get a better experience then what's the issue.

Thanks again for your points, all appreciated.
 

Wisemen say

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Possibly, but do you think those complaints would have been made had we gone there and mullered them 4-0?
We will never know, but if the standard of Policing I witnessed and many hundreds of others complained about, including Blackpool fans, then yes.
 

djwoody

Manager
I was at the lasher away games in 2008 and 2009 (played on a Sunday lunchtime and Monday evening respectively in November-ish) and I remember being surprised as the general lack of "edge" or any bad feeling or concern at all inside outside the ground on both occasions (creaking golf stand notwithstanding).

Yet now its a major police concern for some reason. I can't imagine this game being allowed to be a night game, or even a normal kick off time in the winter now.

What I don't really understand is what has changed in a decade. Where has the heightened bad-blood come from? Was it the cup game in '13? I thought that football was largely over this sort of shite 10 years ago but clearly I was wrong.
If sky say it's a night game, it will be a night game. I was at the Monday night one, parked up by the pub/petrol station, walked to and from the ground with no issues and can't remember seeing any police.
 

Joanpne

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What the bloody hell has the result got to do with anything? If we had won I would still have complained it was by far the worst personal experience of a football match that I have attended in five decades. We were treated woefully, I definitely will never go there again, I will go to Deepdale and watch the big screen.
 

Nietzsche

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Last week (4th Nov) alongside representatives of From the Finney (Podcast), Preston Supporters Collective and PNE Supporters Liaison we were invited to attend a meeting with Lancashire police to discuss the football operation for the Blackpool v PNE fixture and the issues many fans raised.

The meeting was very open and constructive and our concerns were discussed at length.

The police were also able to explain in detail their plans and intentions to police the match.

We are now fully aware of the policing operation and why decisions were taken on the day, set against the wider context of the operation. This allowed ourselves to be made aware of events and factors that previously at the time we didn’t know- this has made our understanding of what went on and why much clearer.

The police also acknowledged and apologised where errors had occurred and have offered opportunities for the learning and concerns from this event to inform future police training utilising a fans perspective.

Overall a very worthwhile meeting to help improve fan experience at matches and allow an insight into the policing operation.
Has a report been published or are the minutes being made available ?
 

pne1881

Advisor to the Owner
Just talking personally as this was my only real issue of the day I think they should be made to explain what their plan was supposed to be for letting us out of the ground & keeping the 2 sets of supporters apart & how their "plan" actually panned out?

Who made the decision to let us walk up the street right into their lot?

The policing after the game was an absolute shambles, a complete joke.
 
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Just talking personally as this was my only real issue of the day I think they should be made to explain what their plan was supposed to be for letting us out of the ground & keeping the 2 sets of supporters apart & how their "plan" actually panned out?

Who made the decision to let us walk up the street right into their lot?

The policing after the game was an absolute shambles, a complete joke.

The original plan was to hold in that section outside the stadium for a short period.

It was decided to not to hold us in the stand for several reasons including stewarding provision/organisation and the fact the Blackpool fans where celebrating.

The plan was to allow supporters to be feed through the corden and allowed to leave in stages on central drive.

Those who may have posed a risk either to themselves or others would have been either escorted away or allowed to leave when safe to do so.

Somewhere along the line there was a breakdown in communication and our fans where allowed to leave down Saville Road.

This was not intentinal and everyone agreed that had fans of both clubs not shown restraint there could have been a major incident.

This alongside other communication aspects are being reviewed using drone, body cam, radio and messeneging footage to find out how that could have been allow to happen.
 
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Tino

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Somewhere along the line there was a breakdown in communication and our fans where allowed to leave down Saville Road.

This was not intentinal and everyone agreed that had fans of both clubs not shown restraint there could have been a major incident.

Considering a Blackpool fan told me the week before that this is exactly what would happen (she'd seen similar scenes earlier in the season) I'm not convinced they're being entirely truthful on that. But appreciate you're just reporting what you've been told.
 

Ando60

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The fans representatives at the meeting seem to be from a number of different groups, so will wait to see if a more detailed explanation is given regarding the Policing of the game, which was the reason for the meeting.
Let's see if we get that information, if not then we can all reach our own conclusions as to why? 🤔
I wouldn’t hold your breath Wisey…..
 

pne1881

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The original plan was to hold in that section outside the stadium for a short period.

It was decided to not to hold us in the stand for several reasons including stewarding provision/organisation and the fact the Blackpool fans where celebrating.

The plan was to allow supporters to be feed through the corden and allowed to leave in stages on central drive.

Those who may have posed a risk either to themselves or others would have been either escorted away or allowed to leave when safe to do so.

Somewhere along the line there was a breakdown in communication and our fans where allowed to leave down Saville Road.

This was not intentinal and everyone agreed that had fans of both clubs not shown restraint there could have been a major incident.

This alongside other communication aspects are being reviewed using drone, body cam, radio and messeneging footage to find out how that could have been allow to happen.

That's an understatement.

Surely anyone with eyes in their head could see the Blackpool fans walking along at the top of the street & thought "hang on a minute......."?

My eyesight is dreadful & even I could see it was an accident waiting to happen.
 

Liberation

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Nowt to do with the Police that, but I don’t know why you think I would have sat in that


Did I buggery think you'd sit in it..It was a joke Joan but still part of the overall experience of the day .. which by all accounts I've heard was pretty crap ( incl the result which wasn't the polices fault either.. :) )
 

Joanpne

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Did I buggery think you'd sit in it..It was a joke Joan but still part of the overall experience of the day .. which by all accounts I've heard was pretty crap ( incl the result which wasn't the polices fault either.. :) )
Sorry I was probs in sulk mode when I responded.
 

Liberation

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Had a naughty cough and sore throat for about 10 days now and not getting one decent nights sleep in all that time it makes you miserable.

At least in your case it's the cough..... There are a good few miserable gits on here that find it comes naturally... :ROFLMAO:

PS...try chloraseptic anaesthetic spray for your sore throat, it's good and no prescription.
 

pne1881

Advisor to the Owner

As mentioned further details as explained by PSC.

Fair play to them for holding their hands up & saying that they got some of it majorly wrong but portions of that are embarrassing in all honesty.

Someone should be made accountable in my view as some of their actions on the day could've resulted in big trouble.
 
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