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PSC meeting 15/05/23

I don't think there's much wrong with the actual pies, their made in Preston, and bought off a Preston company, its how their warmed up, burnt to death , and people are charged a fortune for shocking service, thats the issue.
Yep more the service than anything else and lack of other foods available for the likes of vegetarians etc
 
Tbh if you want a good pie go to deans, you don't go on north end for a good pint or a good pie you go to see your team smash the shit out of a team/be part of something to be proud of cause you love preston north end

Using that analogy you don't go on to see good football either.... So I guess you're getting what you want. 😀
 
So let’s take stock.

Appreciate that there are lots of different views on what fan groups can achieve through Fan Engagement.

Prior to 2 years ago, the club after PSG had unfortunately ceased, weren’t talking to any organised fan groupings. They hadn’t done for a number of years. It was case of individuals contacting the club and largely getting nowhere. You have to look at “he who can’t be named” to see how affective that is

We were the only football club in the Championship to not have a supporters group, forum or podcast recognised by the FSA

PSC managed to get the club to the table and establish some sort of structured dialogue and then working with the forum and other podcasts were able to come forward and speak to the owner of the club via the open letter that was sent last year.

It is clear that now is the time to develop the engagement that club has to include a broader range of supporters and work together. That’s why a proposal was put forward to the club recently and was discussed again last night.

This includes the use of forums, webinars and the creation of a Shadow Fan Board/Committee that is broader than what we have in place now.

We are heading in the right direction in terms of how fans engage with the club and as I’ve said previously in another post, there is no going back.

Keep up the thankless task fella ( and it really must be at times )......... The mere fact that you are prepared to deal with a pathological liar ( no names mentioned ) then you deserve a medal not criticism. There's an old saying that I've rewritten because we are all different.

"You can't please all of the people all of the time but you can please some of the people some of the time "..And I reckon you're efforts do just that and will always be true unless you can persuade then to chuck a good few million on team improvements and investment but of course they won't let you so victories ( however large or small ) are always welcome. 👍
 
Keep up the thankless task fella ( and it really must be at times )......... The mere fact that you are prepared to deal with a pathological liar ( no names mentioned ) then you deserve a medal not criticism. There's an old saying that I've rewritten because we are all different.

"You can't please all of the people all of the time but you can please some of the people some of the time "..And I reckon you're efforts do just that and will always be true unless you can persuade then to chuck a good few million on team improvements and investment but of course they won't let you so victories ( however large or small ) are always welcome. 👍
Thanks, appreciate the kind words
 
As a add on to this and please allow me to go on a tangent slightly.

PNE Online is more than just a fans forum.

PNE Online is a community - The Gentry Match being a great example, whilst the lashers lot bicker and fight we crack on, even if it means having to tolerate @Ando60 endless hatrick stories and @raefil contradicting himself daily 😉

How many fans forums get planning permission for a training ground that never gets built 😉

I will always do my best to represent our community, whether that be through charity engagement, media engagement, fans events, working with the club on certain projects and more recently the flags/atmosphere work. We currently have a website under development to plow on with this.

I am unaware of any other football forum that is funded by its members and is add free - there are not many fans forums left to be fair as the football clubs do their best to close them down.

We will work with ALL Supporters groups, whether that be PSC, NES, or any new groups, PNE need as many as we can get to hold the club to account on EVERY aspect of what they do.

We would be delighted to play a role in any supporters board, I think we are the only affiliated member of the FSA that is a forum and will engage anyway we can.

Personally I want to see big changes at PNE but we can only do that if we stick together as fans, I was pissed off with the comment that the forum is shows "hatred" towards PSC - that simply isn't true and I called it out. Sav has kindly responded and all is well, at the same time I get irked when people slam PSC for baning on about pies....

Anyway I guess the point I am making is that..

It is OUR club and they are the custodians of the club any supporters groups, communities, and fans in general are vital to stop them getting away with all sorts.
You forgot to mention how level headed and reasonable every single member of this forum is.And how we never fall out with one another. 😇

Great post btw. 🙂
 
I’d like to say thanks to PSC for their efforts so far to engage with the club and make the fan experience better.

Any improvements in the match day experience have come as a direct result of the constructive, cooperative dialogue between the club and the PSC.

Namely - splitting the Kop, discounted STs in successive seasons and most recently Gentry’s Bar. None of that happens without PSCs influence.

This thread alone is proof that the people who give up their spare time to run supporters groups have a truly thankless task.

I feel sorry for whoever it is giving up their own time for no money, trying to make the fan experience better.

Only to get loads of the standard crap from the usual arseholes on here and other platforms - themselves offering no actual help in the real world.

There is nothing stopping those who want to topple the clubs ownership creating their own pressure group or arranging a protest.

PSC - keep up the good work. You are clearly powerless when it comes to taking the club to task over what happens on the playing side, and the budget set aside for it.

Keep plugging away, gradually improving the area of the football club you can actually have any influence over - ie, the match day experience.

You’re doing a good job.
 
Always liked what they do at Huddersfield me, any pies etc left at the end they sell them off for a £1 as your walking out

I remember vaguely that we went through a stage where they came out and threw/handed them into the crowd in the second half........ Someone with a better memory than me would have to say what era but I'll go for Graysons time.
 
I’d like to say thanks to PSC for their efforts so far to engage with the club and make the fan experience better.

Any improvements in the match day experience have come as a direct result of the constructive, cooperative dialogue between the club and the PSC.

Namely - splitting the Kop, discounted STs in successive seasons and most recently Gentry’s Bar. None of that happens without PSCs influence.

This thread alone is proof that the people who give up their spare time to run supporters groups have a truly thankless task.

I feel sorry for whoever it is giving up their own time for no money, trying to make the fan experience better.

Only to get loads of the standard crap from the usual arseholes on here and other platforms - themselves offering no actual help in the real world.

There is nothing stopping those who want to topple the clubs ownership creating their own pressure group or arranging a protest.

PSC - keep up the good work. You are clearly powerless when it comes to taking the club to task over what happens on the playing side, and the budget set aside for it.

Keep plugging away, gradually improving the area of the football club you can actually have any influence over - ie, the match day experience.

You’re doing a good job.

That's a good post apart from the bit in bold that really spoiled it. It's on a par with the berk earlier that accused constructive criticism of being " hatred " which was ridiculous............ Kindly remember that all opinions are valid and open to reasonable debate. Flinging insults at one another turn us into the draggers and I assume none of us want that?..... And I'll happily debate the bit in bold with you if you care to continue this.
 
I remember vaguely that we went through a stage where they came out and threw/handed them into the crowd in the second half........ Someone with a better memory than me would have to say what era but I'll go for Graysons time.
Might as-well get rid ain't you than them sitting there until week after or throwing them
 
I’d ease it somewhat if they actually asked questions on pressing matters. Who supplies the pies at Deepdale is not one of them. I concede it may well be very difficult, and you’d get questions that won’t be answered or spun by the spin doctor himself.
To improve match-day experiences, it starts on the pitch. Once you nail that the best you can, focus on things like catering. Seems to me, they want to be part of an exclusive group that gets into bed with the club, and the pressing matters that need answering aren’t questioned so that position isn’t compromised.

The flag bit is a more at the club than yourself. Why you’d spend time and money, and hope other fans spend money to improve things, when the club won’t spend a penny themselves to improve things on or off the pitch. Like funding a relationship with a spouse when their hearts aren’t in it hoping for change.
It would be utterly pointless asking loads of questions about the transfer policy, they will never reveal what they real plan is regarding it and will just give the same answers.
 
PSC are trying to win winnable battles and they're doing a good job of it. Besides I'm pretty sure PSC do challenge the club's transfer policy and the quality of fooball on display.


granted we now have a proper fans bar instead of a tent, and .....................................................................................................with the signage seemingly put on the oustide of the windows!!!!!!!!!

Nothing will be offered to any fans group re finances, players contracts, signings etc and rightly so.

Did the question of having 3 training grounds come up and the potential £££££ that could be raised by developing at least one of them into housing?

Have all the ST holders been contacted re next season's offer, have those who have not renewed over the last 5 or so years been contacted to try and tempt them back?

Until the open fans forums return this club and those who try and engage with it will always remain in the dark re the goings on inside PNE, Ridsdale wouldn't give you the steam off his piss (well maybe by WhatsApp) as he continues to feather his own nest and lord it on the EFL board.

Good effort chaps but no real point IMHO.
 
Yep more the service than anything else and lack of other foods available for the likes of vegetarians etc

Yeah this is it really.

Clayton Park Bakery have, as far as I am aware, a really good rep having grown up not far away.

Its the service and how they handle the food that is the problem. I stopped buying from the ground ages ago, I'll get the odd pint if I'm in on time and that's it.

It doesn't bother me really, I go to watch the football, but its glaringly obvious from the huge queues on the concourse pre match and at half time that for a lot of people its part of their day at the football. I'm really hoping the club sort it, not for me, but for those that could be put off coming partly due to the awful service.
 
Did the question of having 3 training grounds come up and the potential £££££ that could be raised by developing at least one of them into housing?
I asked this at the meeting in November and was told that the club see the land at Ingol as an asset and open to what could be done with it in the future, nothing has changed on that front as far as I know.

Have all the ST holders been contacted re next season's offer, have those who have not renewed over the last 5 or so years been contacted to try and tempt them back?
Pointless trying to attract those who have not renewed in the past 5 years but as of yet (aside from pricing) have done bugger all to try and ensure the 4000 that returned or bought for the first time renew this time around.

I would be staggered if PSC have not pushed the club on this, given that like us, many of their members spent hours upon hours delivering leaflets last year.

Until the open fans forums return this club and those who try and engage with it will always remain in the dark re the goings on inside PNE, Ridsdale wouldn't give you the steam off his piss (well maybe by WhatsApp) as he continues to feather his own nest and lord it on the EFL board.

This is something that the forum and PSC have been pushing the club to look at and I am fairly confident there will be new ways & return to old ways of engagement next season.

@King Sav has covered this earlier in the thread to be fair.

Must admit I am looking forward to you heading up any new fans forums - I honestly don't know what you expect to come from them, fook all ever has done in the past but I do agree that the club should be doing them for folk that enjoy them.
 
granted we now have a proper fans bar instead of a tent, and .....................................................................................................with the signage seemingly put on the oustide of the windows!!!!!!!!!

Nothing will be offered to any fans group re finances, players contracts, signings etc and rightly so.

Did the question of having 3 training grounds come up and the potential £££££ that could be raised by developing at least one of them into housing?

Have all the ST holders been contacted re next season's offer, have those who have not renewed over the last 5 or so years been contacted to try and tempt them back?

Until the open fans forums return this club and those who try and engage with it will always remain in the dark re the goings on inside PNE, Ridsdale wouldn't give you the steam off his piss (well maybe by WhatsApp) as he continues to feather his own nest and lord it on the EFL board.

Good effort chaps but no real point IMHO.
Well you’ve not given me stick so I’ll take that as progress
 
Never been my thing, but should a fans forum ever happen, how do you get yourself in?

Is it invite only? Apologies for the naiveness on this front, but I’ve never really been that interested. However, the past 24 months has changed my tune on this.
The house is on fire, they’re stood with a fire extinguisher, but hoping it goes out itself rather than use the tool they have.
 
Never been my thing, but should a fans forum ever happen, how do you get yourself in?

Is it invite only? Apologies for the naiveness on this front, but I’ve never really been that interested. However, the past 24 months has changed my tune on this.
The house is on fire, they’re stood with a fire extinguisher, but hoping it goes out itself rather than use the tool they have.
I always used to think anyone could attend but assumed the club would have a limit on numbers depending on the size of the venue. Hopefully someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I'm 100% interested in attending though now and it's not something I've ever wanted to go to.
 
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