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Summer 2023 : Transfer Window Rumours and Discussion

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A full pre season for Onomah would be like a new signing (if agrees a new deal)

Riis coming back potentially a third of the way through the season would also be like a new signing.

That’ll be our summer.
 
They won't be like new signings, they'll be what they are.....players we already have returning from injuries and lay offs with no guarantee they'll be any better.
 
On the loan players:
Move on from Cannon and Fernandez immediately - slim to no chance of them happening so explore other options quickly. We can't have another Archer-style situation.
Parrot - I'd imagine there's a chance.
Delap - who knows?
 
Looking like there’ll be at least around 10 players leaving, including loans from the first team as it stands.

On a shoe-string budget and an already small squad. We will somehow need to bring in 10 or maybe more signings.

This is the window we really need to be smart at and with Lowe’s comments at the end of Sheff Utd it sounds like he’s wanting to shift more permanent players on too.

Whiteman, Woodman and McCann I think could all be sold to raise some capital for spends, if we are able to spend whatever is received then I think that is our only possible chance.

Woodman could stay as he’s got longer on his deal and is a very good keeper but if someone like Rangers comes in with 5M then I can’t see us turning it down.

With regulations apparently in place for clubs to be able to sign players without the GBE constraints like we had for Quintilla, could see us using the abroad market a lot more commonly.

But like always, I am far from optimistic that we will be able to do what we need to do this summer.
 
thebutterpiepodcast said:
Looking like there’ll be at least around 10 players leaving, including loans from the first team as it stands.

On a shoe-string budget and an already small squad. We will somehow need to bring in 10 or maybe more signings.

This is the window we really need to be smart at and with Lowe’s comments at the end of Sheff Utd it sounds like he’s wanting to shift more permanent players on too.

Whiteman, Woodman and McCann I think could all be sold to raise some capital for spends, if we are able to spend whatever is received then I think that is our only possible chance.

Woodman could stay as he’s got longer on his deal and is a very good keeper but if someone like Rangers comes in with 5M then I can’t see us turning it down.

With regulations apparently in place for clubs to be able to sign players without the GBE constraints like we had for Quintilla, could see us using the abroad market a lot more commonly.

But like always, I am far from optimistic that we will be able to do what we need to do this summer.
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With our track record of finding good keepers I would be alright with selling Woodman if it meant we got a good fee
 
This is not specifically transfer related but I wanted to get the general consensus on the current transfer policy. What does everybody think about the current model, or lack of in my opinion. I think there’s been some scrutiny on it for a while. But I started thinking about the playoffs and what might have got us over the line this season.

One of the biggest criticisms for me is how we seem to price players out of exits. Take Emil Riis, for example. When Middlesbrough made a £7.5m bid, we rejected it and demanded £10m. While it might have been tempting to hold out for more cash, it ended up hurting us in the end. We missed out on the chance to strengthen key positions in the squad. RWB being the main example. Riis has also not really featured all season so I dread to think what that has done to his value?

To be fair, I was one of those fans at the time who wanted us to reject the bid. Not because it was a bad offer, but because we've got a track record of not reinvesting transfer money back into the playing squad. Callum Robinson and Hugill are the two examples that spring to mind.

This approach to transfers is disastrous. We reject these bids, then players end up running down their contracts and leaving for free, or next to nothing anyways. It's happened with Ben Pearson, Darnell Fisher, and now it looks like it could happen with DJ too. We need to sort this out. I understand that the likes of DJ and Browne are on significant contracts and it’s a big reach to extend them on the same terms.

We need to start striking a balance between maximising transfer income and investing in the playing squad, like Brentford did when they were in the football league. They knew when to pull the trigger on sales and always reinvested the money in the squad. And they rinsed and repeated this until they reached the premier league.

All of this has led me to believe that we need to reconsider our transfer model. We need to find a more sustainable approach that will help us to achieve long-term success and competitiveness. We need to recognise when a good deal is a good deal and we need to make sure that funds are reinvested back in to the playing squad.

Ultimately I think our current transfer model is questionable, and it's time for us to take a long, hard look at it. I just look at where we will finish this season and in hindsight what £3m-£5m of investment in the playing squad could have been worth in terms of points, definitely in my opinion a playoffs spot or more.

Interested to hear thoughts?
 
Thracia said:
It's only at the discussion stage at the moment:

www.theguardian.com

FA proposes more overseas signings if English players are rewarded

Four overseas players would be allowed if English talent were given 35% of playing time the previous season while Brighton’s CEO said clubs were at a ‘big disadvantage’ under the current rules
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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The problem will be we will once again be competing against lots of other clubs with bigger budgets than us both fees and wages wise , a bigger pond yes but no bate on the hook .
 
L30N said:
This is not specifically transfer related but I wanted to get the general consensus on the current transfer policy. What does everybody think about the current model, or lack of in my opinion. I think there’s been some scrutiny on it for a while. But I started thinking about the playoffs and what might have got us over the line this season.

One of the biggest criticisms for me is how we seem to price players out of exits. Take Emil Riis, for example. When Middlesbrough made a £7.5m bid, we rejected it and demanded £10m. While it might have been tempting to hold out for more cash, it ended up hurting us in the end. We missed out on the chance to strengthen key positions in the squad. RWB being the main example. Riis has also not really featured all season so I dread to think what that has done to his value?

To be fair, I was one of those fans at the time who wanted us to reject the bid. Not because it was a bad offer, but because we've got a track record of not reinvesting transfer money back into the playing squad. Callum Robinson and Hugill are the two examples that spring to mind.

This approach to transfers is disastrous. We reject these bids, then players end up running down their contracts and leaving for free, or next to nothing anyways. It's happened with Ben Pearson, Darnell Fisher, and now it looks like it could happen with DJ too. We need to sort this out. I understand that the likes of DJ and Browne are on significant contracts and it’s a big reach to extend them on the same terms.

We need to start striking a balance between maximising transfer income and investing in the playing squad, like Brentford did when they were in the football league. They knew when to pull the trigger on sales and always reinvested the money in the squad. And they rinsed and repeated this until they reached the premier league.

All of this has led me to believe that we need to reconsider our transfer model. We need to find a more sustainable approach that will help us to achieve long-term success and competitiveness. We need to recognise when a good deal is a good deal and we need to make sure that funds are reinvested back in to the playing squad.

Ultimately I think our current transfer model is questionable, and it's time for us to take a long, hard look at it. I just look at where we will finish this season and in hindsight what £3m-£5m of investment in the playing squad could have been worth in terms of points, definitely in my opinion a playoffs spot or more.

Interested to hear thoughts?
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The club claims our transfer policy hasn't changed since TH took over in 2010, and it's not really correct to say the Hugill and Robbo money (for example) wasn't "re-invested" - it's just that it was reinvested across several transfer windows and across multiple inbound players, many of whom were failures (your Bayliss types), but a few of whom cost a decent fee and also turned out to be worthwhile, e.g. Riis, Whiteman, McCann - even Potts didn't come cheap.

The club also regularly points out nobody is offering big fees for players any more - not for the sort of players we generally accumulate anyway - although this summer it'll be interesting to see whether Whiteman, Woodman and Browne attract bids, and whether the owners can resist them. They claim only Ryan Lowe's intervention stopped them selling Riis last summer, but I'm sure the story isn't as simple as that.

In terms of policy, without income from transfer profits, we simply don't spend money on transfer fees beyond the nominal, there isn't a "transfer budget" as such, so much as a "wage budget" - so I doubt we'll be buying anyone who isn't balanced and paid-for by an outbound transfer/incoming transfer fee.

It'll otherwise be free transfers as recommended by the MRKT Insights iPad all the way, until the Prem teams start releasing loans on the eve of the season starting, once they've finalised their squads.
 
Thracia said:
It's only at the discussion stage at the moment:

www.theguardian.com

FA proposes more overseas signings if English players are rewarded

Four overseas players would be allowed if English talent were given 35% of playing time the previous season while Brighton’s CEO said clubs were at a ‘big disadvantage’ under the current rules
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Saw MRKT Insights tweet about this being a potential ‘gold-mine’ for EFL clubs.

Unsure whether we can cash in on this ‘gold-mine’ when only having the budget of some coppers.
 
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