Summer Transfer Window Rumours and Discussion

SoccerHQ

Manager
Peter Ridsdale said recently that it's better to stick with what you've got, because they already know the club and system, and we know we can 'compete' with them already.

Problem with that policy is that you end up with the same old problems.

That policy has worked well last few years but at same time you need a couple of signings to push on and get extra 10% out of existing players. Many of this squad have been here since 2015 so that's a long old time in modern football and I get the feeling they know they've peaked as a squad (17-start of this year) and it's all downhill from now so might aswell move on somewhere else.
 

Thracia

Forum Patron
Patron
Well Neil wasn't backed in the summer. In lieu of the phrase "back him or sack him" will Neil be sacked?
The club bought Euxton during the transfer window.

If the club's endless wall-to-wall social media coverage of Euxton throughout the international break hasn't already made it abundantly clear, Euxton was our key summer signing.

Euxton is the club's way of backing the manager, while also satisfying the owner's primary goal of investing in low-cost high-value assets.
 

Preston_69

First Team
Some of Davies, Pearson, DJ going to be sold then if they haven't agreed new deals especially if team is mid table. And replacements won't be on same level so first 11 will be much weaker.
Think we all know we end up with the so called big 4 leaving for free and as always we won't buy quality league one beckons
 
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oliharg

Manager
It’s even worse when you read the full article


Not sure AN is as convinced it’s a positive window as some posters on here
Don’t blame him one bit, we needed a full-back, a centre half as back-up, a creative player that can play on the wing and we needed a loanee young striker.

We needed another 3/4 quality signings. Instead we’re left with Bodin, Stockley, Ripley, even Hunts as I can’t see him playing anything but Cup games. Rafferty starting when he’s a back-up, Hughes starting when he should be a back-up. O’Reilly and Bayliss should potentially have been sent out for game time as they obviously won’t get any here.

The difference in the matter is every other club has strengthened with multiple players, we’ve signed 1, and a training ground. But used the ‘we’re the most financially stable club outside the prem’ as a get-away. Take COVID out of the equation and ask yourself do you really believe this window would’ve been any different.

Some people banging on about how we spent £1.2m on Riis. That’s the going rate, 1 million on a player isn’t massive now, it was 20 years ago but not now. And we wonder why we’ve made no progress when we’re spending zilch on players, expecting massive things. And then when they turn out to be not good enough, then put the blame on Neil.

Our transfer record of what we paid for David Healy 19 years ago still stands, put that into perspective.
 

nomorebigideas

First Team
It’s even worse when you read the full article


Not sure AN is as convinced it’s a positive window as some posters on here
Going to play Devil's Advocate here - and it's been said before in various ways, to varying degrees.

Neil knew the deal when he came here. He knew the managerial / top-down decision-making constraints; knew the limited budget.

Sure, he would've been sold the idealistic version of the deal (for simplicity, let's call it the 'Ingol' version). However, I'd argue that after a short amount of time he'd have figured out what was really on offer (we'll call this 'Euxton').

I feel he's come in, seen the problems with the setup (top-loaded squad with average players) and has tried - kicking and screaming lately - to affect change in the process.

But let's be brutally honest; it's not worked, has it?

Sure, we've managed to get out of our UK / Ireland mindset and bring in a European striker, but it's taken nearly 3 years to break that habit.

My point here is that our way of operating is very unlikely to change whilst Hemmings is in charge. Whether we can see it or not, there are huge problems on the horizon for many clubs in the EFL if fans aren't allowed back on stadiums soon. Risdale simply cannot be making all of this up for an audience of one.

To that effect; Neil has two viable options.

The former; accept the reality of the situation and the wider extraordinary circumstances (Covid), working with what he has (i.e. accepting the limitations of certain players to not fit his desired system) and accomodate them accordingly (i.e. find a system that they can play in). Why re-sign creative players like Harrop and not even bench them, when we were screaming out for creativity yesterday?

The latter; quite simply, get your agent to put their feelers out for his next move. I wouldn't blame him; he's done good work with our well-publicised constraints, and he will certainly improve as a manager. But in what other job could you publicly call-out (or verge on calling-out) the CEO / Owner of a company, and not expect any sort of retaliation? I completely understand his frustrations and motivation, but it's having a negative effect on and off the pitch.

I suspect this is why they expected him to leave last Summer, and wouldn't be against him going now.

FWIW, I'll support Neil whilst he's here, but he's not above redress should performances and results fail to improve.
 

norfolk white

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Going to play Devil's Advocate here - and it's been said before in various ways, to varying degrees.

Neil knew the deal when he came here. He knew the managerial / top-down decision-making constraints; knew the limited budget.

Sure, he would've been sold the idealistic version of the deal (for simplicity, let's call it the 'Ingol' version). However, I'd argue that after a short amount of time he'd have figured out what was really on offer (we'll call this 'Euxton').

I feel he's come in, seen the problems with the setup (top-loaded squad with average players) and has tried - kicking and screaming lately - to affect change in the process.

But let's be brutally honest; it's not worked, has it?

Sure, we've managed to get out of our UK / Ireland mindset and bring in a European striker, but it's taken nearly 3 years to break that habit.

My point here is that our way of operating is very unlikely to change whilst Hemmings is in charge. Whether we can see it or not, there are huge problems on the horizon for many clubs in the EFL if fans aren't allowed back on stadiums soon. Risdale simply cannot be making all of this up for an audience of one.

To that effect; Neil has two viable options.

The former; accept the reality of the situation and the wider extraordinary circumstances (Covid), working with what he has (i.e. accepting the limitations of certain players to not fit his desired system) and accomodate them accordingly (i.e. find a system that they can play in). Why re-sign creative players like Harrop and not even bench them, when we were screaming out for creativity yesterday?

The latter; quite simply, get your agent to put their feelers out for his next move. I wouldn't blame him; he's done good work with our well-publicised constraints, and he will certainly improve as a manager. But in what other job could you publicly call-out (or verge on calling-out) the CEO / Owner of a company, and not expect any sort of retaliation? I completely understand his frustrations and motivation, but it's having a negative effect on and off the pitch.

I suspect this is why they expected him to leave last Summer, and wouldn't be against him going now.

FWIW, I'll support Neil whilst he's here, but he's not above redress should performances and results fail to improve.
I bet AN was made certain promises and not just the one time but also when the WBA and Stoke City opportunities were there, but we all know when a certain person makes promises they are never kept. It must be very, very frustrating for him.
 

Chip Barm

Not Kesserling
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When you have a wage ceiling and the players you want to stay who are regarded as your best players are already at that ceiling... you would hope it would be improved.

Worth remembering these lads could easily move to another championship or spl club for double what they earn at PNE.

So just to expect them to stay for loyalty with no increases borders on embarrassing.

We could have had a couple tied down but its all very well Peter telling Seddon that they will sit down with them. The owner needs to be realistic and offer them serious terms.
 

HunterLionheart

Advisor to the Owner
It’s even worse when you read the full article


Not sure AN is as convinced it’s a positive window as some posters on here

Aye, whilst we can say it's great that the 'big 4' are still here, and the fact that running their contracts down to 6 months is definitely a sacrifice of potential income from the owner, those 4 players are gonna have agents talking to them the entire time till January about who might want them and why. Hard to focus on the job at hand. Frustrating for a manager.
 

pne1881

Advisor to the Owner
When you have a wage ceiling and the players you want to stay who are regarded as your best players are already at that ceiling... you would hope it would be improved.

Worth remembering these lads could easily move to another championship or spl club for double what they earn at PNE.

So just to expect them to stay for loyalty with no increases borders on embarrassing.

We could have had a couple tied down but its all very well Peter telling Seddon that they will sit down with them. The owner needs to be realistic and offer them serious terms.

That's a problem.

And a big one at that.
 

norfolk white

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Just in case anyone considered the window to be a success
And yet there are those who blame AN for not having a good start to the season and insist he goes. Yes, he may make confusing, to use, decisions about the players and set up but he sees those players daily however, we are at least 80% of the time playing against stronger squads and teams with a lot more money being spent that we do. IMHO the only difference between Cardiff and us yesterday was that one goal, I didn't think that they were that much better than us, in fact according to BBC Sport we had 56% possession, 7 shots to their 10, but we had 4 on target to their 3 (so that means 57% of our shots were on target compared to their 30%) 9 corners to their 3 and 9 fouls to their 10.
Also, reported in the Press:
Cardiff City were one of the more vocal clubs at a Championship meeting last Thursday, laying their troubling financial state on thick, detailing significant seven-figure monthly losses.
They were not the only team struggling at the moment, of course, and in need of fiscal aid.
The EFL have been attempting to pull together recently. Rivals nodded in agreement as they hoped for a package formulated by the Government and Premier League, although that turned to resigned amusement and a little indignation 24 hours later.
Harry Wilson made his way to south Wales on a season-long loan from Liverpool and eyebrows were raised. Cardiff beat a fair few to his signature, the Bluebirds paying a large portion, if not all, of Wilson's £60,000 per week wages. Coupled with that, the loan fee could stretch way in excess of the £1 million if certain clauses are triggered.
It doesn't mention how much it has cost them to also bring Sheyi Ojo in also on loan from Liverpool. But these two alone must have cost Cardiff as much as we have spent in at least the last 3 years on signings and loans.
The report finishes by quoting Mehmet Dalman, Cardiff's chairman:
We'd be very disappointed with this team if we're not in the top 6 by January. Let's not be diplomatic about our start. I'm just hoping the team will gel better than they have done in the past.
It wouldn't bother me if they were in the top six by January as long as they are not in the top 6 come end of the season. In the words of Kevin Keegan - "I'd love it, just love it" if Cardiff failed after going cap in hand and pleading poverty only last week and then go and spend all of this money only to have failed and have to go into administration.
 
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