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California_PNE

Advisor to the Owner
You would be wrong, 43% of children living in Islington are in poverty, what kind of jobs do you imagine their parents do?

I dunno what manual working class is, that's why I asked, working class yes why it needs to be qualified with manual is not clear to me.

Working class people are being let down by all political parties, I'm working class (it's an attitude, a mindset, it's how you treat other people with respect and care - it's not your job or income) and probs most the working class people I know were lost under your cult leader not starmer.
 

Winkytinky

GTTO
Patron
I dunno what manual working class is, that's why I asked, working class yes why it needs to be qualified with manual is not clear to me.

Working class people are being let down by all political parties, I'm working class (it's an attitude, a mindset, it's how you treat other people with respect and care - it's not your job or income) and probs most the working class people I know were lost under your cult leader not starmer.
I don't believe Labour has been tested in a GE under Starmer, unless I've missed something? You made a false assumption about the demographics of Islington, just own it.
 

California_PNE

Advisor to the Owner
I don't believe Labour has been tested in a GE under Starmer, unless I've missed something? You made a false assumption about the demographics of Islington, just own it.
Just asked what manual working class was, that's all, a party that only appeals to metropolitan city centres and emphatically let down the working class. Own it.
 

raefil

Dolly Patron
Patron
Just asked what manual working class was, that's all, a party that only appeals to metropolitan city centres and emphatically let down the working class. Own it.
Minimum wage workers, the ones wh do a full weeks wage yet still cannot pay their way in life.

Something you'll probably never understand.

These people are continually looked down on as oh the crime, they will generally have to claim top up benefits. The benefits that the tories have continually cut and debated another cut, this week. Instead of voting against pushing them into further poverty the Labour mps were whipped to abstain.
 

California_PNE

Advisor to the Owner
Minimum wage workers, the ones wh do a full weeks wage yet still cannot pay their way in life.

Something you'll probably never understand.

These people are continually looked down on as oh the crime, they will generally have to claim top up benefits. The benefits that the tories have continually cut and debated another cut, this week. Instead of voting against pushing them into further poverty the Labour mps were whipped to abstain.
I don't look down on any of them at all, labour have let them down by becoming unelectable, not supporting democracy when it mattered most and forgetting about the working class across the entire country focussing on fringe progressive politics.
 

raefil

Dolly Patron
Patron
I don't look down on any of them at all, labour have let them down by becoming unelectable, not supporting democracy when it mattered most and forgetting about the working class across the entire country focussing on fringe progressive politics.
My post bounced straight over your head, didnt it.

Matey all youve just said is exactly what I knew you would say.

Utterly clueless about the manual working classes. Youll never ever get it.

Dont worry you arent alone, far from it.
 

California_PNE

Advisor to the Owner
My post bounced straight over your head, didnt it.

Matey all youve just said is exactly what I knew you would say.

Utterly clueless about the manual working classes. Youll never ever get it.

Dont worry you arent alone, far from it.
Let us know who the manual working class are very simple question if the answer is straightforward just let us know 👍🏻
 

Mer5eywhite

Advisor to the Owner
Everyone, I know, who has resigned their membership have done so because they feel the party no longer represents the people who it should be doing, ie the manual working classes.

Its nothing to do with what you have posted whatever,
I don’t doubt that but I was just offering other reasons why membership and political activism/interest these days might be in decline.
 

outreacher

Respect Nature
Patron

Full Story Here - Guardian

Gary Neville joins Labour and considers move into politics​

Some have speculated he may run to succeed Andy Burnham as mayor of Greater Manchester

Gary Neville, the footballer turned TV pundit, hotelier, property developer and university founder, has joined the Labour party and has not definitively ruled out a future career in politics.

Neville, regularly a fierce critic of Boris Johnson on Twitter, revealed to Nick Robinson’s BBC Political Thinking podcast that he had joined the party in the last few days.

“That is purely for myself,” he said. “I want to support Labour. I do believe that we need a progressive Labour party but one that not just looks after the left side … it has to come towards the centre.”
Robinson asked Neville whether he would consider a career in politics, to which he replied: “I say to myself sometimes ‘I’m able to communicate. I know what I want. I have got a business mind, I can manage people.’ But I just think I’d get eaten alive. I don’t know what Whitehall’s like, what Westminster’s like, I can only imagine what you have to do there to survive and I don’t play the game. So how can I get in?
 

noelpne

Forum Patron
Patron
He does talk some good stuff, and surely even a lot of scouse must have a grudging
respect for this Manc. The only mark
( leaving aside Utd. Stuff ) is that he tried ( & fortunately failed in an attempt to build
-over precious ( that's just my opinion ) Moorland at Rivington Pike to create a Luxury Home for his family, and Bolton Met.
turned him down. As if there's a shortage of Millionaire's properties or summat...
 

noelpne

Forum Patron
Patron
Let us know who the manual working class are very simple question if the answer is straightforward just let us know 👍🏻

Putting the Centre of Britain, along with Scotland & Wales to one side, it's now become a Historical thing to me, this thing how Blair, as London-Centric as any Tory Leader, took the Labour Party to the Centre, and aligning himself , along with his cronies like Mandleson, with the successful New Middle Class Socialist 'Londonites' who did Very Well Indeed out of changing their allegiance from John Major...and Corbyn is/ was completely against that kind of Labour Party. As someone else on here stated, JC should have stayed True to the Referendum Result.....he was pressured, and caved-in , into the Blairites/Remainers.
Then the Party actually had the Gall to suspend him. That just shows how much pull Blair still has, and I wait with weariness for during the next hustings to see him hold up Starmer's hand & say, "Ladies & Gentleman, I give you your next Prime Minister"
Just fukin yuk.
Well I hope it's just a nightmare, cos new people do come through, and Burnham & Neville could be the Manc. Dream Team. Just hoping Burnham's a Blues fan, to get the whole of the City behind them.
 

Winkytinky

GTTO
Patron
Putting the Centre of Britain, along with Scotland & Wales to one side, it's now become a Historical thing to me, this thing how Blair, as London-Centric as any Tory Leader, took the Labour Party to the Centre, and aligning himself , along with his cronies like Mandleson, with the successful New Middle Class Socialist 'Londonites' who did Very Well Indeed out of changing their allegiance from John Major...and Corbyn is/ was completely against that kind of Labour Party. As someone else on here stated, JC should have stayed True to the Referendum Result.....he was pressured, and caved-in , into the Blairites/Remainers.
Then the Party actually had the Gall to suspend him. That just shows how much pull Blair still has, and I wait with weariness for during the next hustings to see him hold up Starmer's hand & say, "Ladies & Gentleman, I give you your next Prime Minister"
Just fukin yuk.
Well I hope it's just a nightmare, cos new people do come through, and Burnham & Neville could be the Manc. Dream Team. Just hoping Burnham's a Blues fan, to get the whole of the City behind them.
I think Burnham supports Everton.
 
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