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The Labour Party are cockwombles .....

Snicky

Hasa Diga Eebowai
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I dont believe a head of state should ever be a ceremonial position. A head of state should always have the elected power to be able to sign off/send back for further scrutiny decisions made by the other chamber.
There is a possibility that an elected individual can be open to the same outside pressures and influenced like any other politician, from lobbyists, big business etc.
In the current set up, the decisions are made by HoC and HoL ( I agree the HoL should be elected) and only signed off ceremonially by the Monarch.
 

Sepp Blatter

Ursula Fanboy
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What was it I wanted to read then? Your refusal to accept that life is different with regards of a ceremonial head of state is clearly nonsense. You're just confusing it with your own prejudices.
Interesting - so, even though I explained my reasoning, you fell back to accusations of prejudice instead of rebuttal. My dislike of a monarchy comes from the same philosophical place as my dislike of the EU, for example.

If I said that I am not glad I live in a country that signed over its democracy to Brussels, would you cast out the same accusations?

I am a believer in a secular state - if I said I am not glad that I live in a country where religion wields too much power, would you accuse me of envy?

Yet, all of these spring from the same moral beliefs and philosophy. I prefer living in a country without a monarchy - it makes a difference to me.
 

Sepp Blatter

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Not really, because in my opinion it’s not the same.
A non secular state lives by fairy tales and it’s policies are based on those fairy tales and affects peoples day to day lives.

Living in a Monarchy does not affect my day to day life in any way, but I can see huge positives in what they bring to the country.
I believe that the idea of power handed down through birth is equally a fairy tale (and stems from the 'anointed by God' mentality). From my experience, it does affect my daily life - I have noticed quite a few differences between living in a monarchy and living in republics.
 

PNEESSEX

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The last socialist to lead the labour party, brilliant orator, privately educated, and vehemently opposed to the EU, along with other notable socialists, replaced by kinnock who began the dismantling of the parties core idealism.

or interpreted for the benefit of this forum.

An unprincipled elitist, right wing racist, thick gammon incapable of forming an opinion other than that banged into the thicko by the media, and failing to understand that anybody forming contrary conclusion is right.
Foot was a dreadful leader of the Labour Party. A good man, with wonderful oratorical skills, a brilliant mind and an incisive way with the written word. Sadly, he couldn't run a bath, or lead a party. The 1983 election defeat was, at the time, a low water mark in Labour's history. I remember all too well knowing as I canvassed and leafleted that we were going to get our arses handed to us on election day.....we did. I think of all the Labour electoral failures, that one hurt me the most
 

No Danger

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Foot was a dreadful leader of the Labour Party. A good man, with wonderful oratorical skills, a brilliant mind and an incisive way with the written word. Sadly, he couldn't run a bath, or lead a party. The 1983 election defeat was, at the time, a low water mark in Labour's history. I remember all too well knowing as I canvassed and leafleted that we were going to get our arses handed to us on election day.....we did. I think of all the Labour electoral failures, that one hurt me the most
The so called ' Falklands factor' was cited a lot as having a major influence on the size of Thatchers majority.
Did you get the impression that was the case from your canvassing ?
 

wld

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Again, ceremonial and tradition.

And bloody good to see.
I don’t know the answer but I wonder what the ceremony would have been like before Henry VIII? I’m making an assumption the religion aspects of the ceremony would have referred to the RC Church and was changed at that time therefore tradition has varied.
 

PNEESSEX

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The so called ' Falklands factor' was cited a lot as having a major influence on the size of Thatchers majority.
Did you get the impression that was the case from your canvassing ?
It helped Thatcher no end where I was canvassing; I was living in Weymouth at the time and the Portland Naval base was there and a lot of the local people had very strong links to the navy. The LP was a shambles too which made a right good kicking even more likely
 

prestonmadhouse

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I don’t know the answer but I wonder what the ceremony would have been like before Henry VIII? I’m making an assumption the religion aspects of the ceremony would have referred to the RC Church and was changed at that time therefore tradition has varied.
Henry VIII was a devout catholic and Westminster Abby, a Catholic Church at the time of his coronation. The ceremony would have been a very Roman Catholic affair.
 

Took My Heart

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Grade A weapon this man

He's pulling this 'We're all in together' lark an awful lot which you'd think a party in government would say, rather than one in opposition that perhaps should be highlighting the failures of the current government.

I hear a lot of 'fuck that I'm done with Labour' at the moment. I wonder if in Tory voting circles they are considering flipping, because if they are not they are screwed.
 
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