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[raefil]

YouGov also shows a 5% drop in support for the Tories, although they are still ahead. Only a couple of polls, but it will be interesting to see what happens.

Wonder if the next smear will be AS or if they will roll out the old 'Russians under the bed' again

Gone a little quiet on the funny tinge group.

 

[Sepp Blatter]

Gone a little quiet on the funny tinge group.

Nothing a couple more well-timed defections won't solve

 

[raefil]

302 Tory MP's voted to take away guarantee of a hot meal from a million children from lower income families in England.

When Child Poverty is hitting record levels,Tories take a hot meal away from them.

 

[PNEESSEX]

Meanwhile, someone in the DWP thinks it's fine to describe a benefit claimant a lying bitch in a written response to an appeal tribunal. Really? This is acceptable?

DWP document refers to benefit claimant as 'lying bitch'

Welfare advisers say slip highlights culture of contempt towards disabled people

www.theguardian.com

 

[Liberation]

302 Tory MP's voted to take away guarantee of a hot meal from a million children from lower income families in England.

When Child Poverty is hitting record levels,Tories take a hot meal away from them.

Why?.............. Serious question.

 

[raefil]

Why?.............. Serious question.

God knows Libs

 

[sussexrob]

302 Tory MP's voted to take away guarantee of a hot meal from a million children from lower income families in England.

When Child Poverty is hitting record levels,Tories take a hot meal away from them.

What is the real story here ? Is it school lunches or what ? I am going to see my local MP next week I see she is on the list . I will have to ask her need the full picture though Phil its ok making yourself a tit of yourself on here but not in front of a few hundred people in a school hall.

 

[Mer5eywhite]

There is a bit more to it but it is clearly designed to lower future access to free school meals.
Worked in Blackburn years ago and found a kid eating from McDonald’s bins in the evening. I’m always caught between blaming the parent (mother in this case) and the safety net which society provides.

 

[Strongbow]

Evening Standard reporting that Saint Jeremy is losing young voters in droves :


It was the younger generation who carried Jeremy Corbyn to the greatest surge of support for Labour in years, but now they’re deserting him faster than you can say ‘millennial socialism’

With its message of ‘a kinder, gentler politics’, a benign economy and a fairer society, Corbyn’s moral socialism galvanised a generation otherwise mistrustful of politicians. In doing so they contributed to the greatest surge in the Labour vote in 2017 since 1945. Despite being led by an elderly man with old-fashioned left-wing policies, Labour was suddenly perceived as fresh, populist and modern. (Nowhere was this better crystallised than in the fields of Glastonbury that year, where his name was chanted as an anthem.) Using social media, these new young supporters revolutionised Labour’s election campaign. This was not the work of Corbyn, or his shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, or Jon Lansman, co-founder and chair of Momentum, but the digital natives they had inspired to work for them.

So why are the young falling out of love with Jeremy Corbyn?

At first glance: Brexit. Labour’s membership is overwhelmingly Remain — 88 per cent according to YouGov polls — and the party’s confusing policy on leaving the EU has resulted in a dramatic drop in confidence among 18- to 34-year-olds. According to an Opinium poll, their approval of how Corbyn is handling the issue has dropped 27 percentage points since last July. While Corbyn says he officially backed Remain in the referendum, he was always Eurosceptic. Footage recently emerged of him in 2009 describing Europe as ‘a military Frankenstein’. Tariq Ali, a friend since the Seventies, told a reporter in spring 2016: ‘Jeremy is completely opposed to the EU’. Even during the campaign, Corbyn described his passion for the EU as a damp ‘seven, or seven and a half’, out of 10.

Today, policy depends on who is speaking. Labour has either arrived at a historic point of backing a second referendum thanks to figures such as Sir Keir Starmer, shadow Brexit Secretary — or is only doing so as an empty gesture before swinging back to Brexit. Corbyn himself is seen as the hostage of the four Brexit-supporting Ms: Len McCluskey (Unite union boss), Seumas Milne (Corbyn’s comms director), Andrew Murray (his political adviser) and Karie Murphy (his chief of staff).

 

[raefil]

aye ok Im sure our former chancellor now editor doesnt have an agenda

 

[Regardless]

aye ok Im sure our former chancellor now editor doesnt have an agenda

So which bit of the Standard article did you think was wrong?

 

[raefil]

So which bit of the Standard article did you think was wrong?

The headline states.

Evening Standard reporting that Saint Jeremy is losing young voters in droves :

And then goes on to give not one shred of evidence of it.

Quite simple really.

 

[Regardless]

The headline states.

Evening Standard reporting that Saint Jeremy is losing young voters in droves :

And then goes on to give not one shred of evidence of it.

Quite simple really.

Sort of fair enough. The referencing of information sources is not up to 'academic' standards - I'll certainly give you that! And, we all know what newspaper headline writers are like. But it's (typically) OTT to say there is not one shred of evidence. There's actually quite a lot of circumstantial evidence given.

Corbyn is seen as dithering on Brexit. Disingenuous really... He won't say it, but he's trying to avoid implementing the conference policy in relation to a second referendum. And so where the quoted opinion poll (unidentified but presumably based on some truth) finds that confidence of 18-34yr olds in Corbyn's handling of Brexit has dropped by 27 percentage points - it definitely rings true. And that's a very big number.

The Standard probably tries to imply that this equates to a similar percentage drop in young people who'd vote for Corbyn... although it doesn't actually say that... it talks about him "losing" young people - about them 'deserting' him - about them 'falling out of love' with him. That's not what the presented evidence says. But the article does allude to evidence that large numbers of 18-34yr olds would prefer us to Remain - that Corbyn has an anti-EU history - that masses of young people have lost confidence in Corbyn's handling of the issue and put that all together, and it's not unreasonable to suggest that young people's support of Corbyn is falling.

But of course, when it comes to supporting Saint Jeremy, you'll just pretend it's ALL fake news (when only a portion of it is!)

 

[raefil]

Sort of fair enough. The referencing of information sources is not up to 'academic' standards - I'll certainly give you that! And, we all know what newspaper headline writers are like. But it's (typically) OTT to say there is not one shred of evidence. There's actually quite a lot of circumstantial evidence given.

Corbyn is seen as dithering on Brexit. Disingenuous really... He won't say it, but he's trying to avoid implementing the conference policy in relation to a second referendum. And so where the quoted opinion poll (unidentified but presumably based on some truth) finds that confidence of 18-34yr olds in Corbyn's handling of Brexit has dropped by 27 percentage points - it definitely rings true. And that's a very big number.

The Standard probably tries to imply that this equates to a similar percentage drop in young people who'd vote for Corbyn... although it doesn't actually say that... it talks about him "losing" young people - about them 'deserting' him - about them 'falling out of love' with him. That's not what the presented evidence says. But the article does allude to evidence that large numbers of 18-34yr olds would prefer us to Remain - that Corbyn has an anti-EU history - that masses of young people have lost confidence in Corbyn's handling of the issue and put that all together, and it's not unreasonable to suggest that young people's support of Corbyn is falling.

But of course, when it comes to supporting Saint Jeremy, you'll just pretend it's ALL fake news (when only a portion of it is!)

Due to data protection etc I can only give you anecdotal evidence with little detail from my own PLC.

In the past 12 months 12 people have ceased to be members. 3 of those were people whove moved on to support JC from above the clouds. The rest have been those who just didnt renew their membership. I cant give an age breakdown as that isnt available.

In that period of time local membership has increased. Again I dont have ages of those to be able to share.

 

[Regardless]

Due to data protection etc I can only give you anecdotal evidence with little detail from my own PLC.

In the past 12 months 12 people have ceased to be members. 3 of those were people whove moved on to support JC from above the clouds. The rest have been those who just didnt renew their membership. I cant give an age breakdown as that isnt available.

In that period of time local membership has increased. Again I dont have ages of those to be able to share.

Not sure that the referencing of that evidence is up to academic standards either

If Labour Party membership is reflective of the wider public support, then that might be relevant (not sure it is)... and maybe your local plc is representative of branches across the country. But I imagine you need to look at how many choose not to renew over the coming 10 months. Corbyn's behaviour on this topic has only very recently become very apparent. I don't imagine it's enough to get people standing on the Harris Library steps and publicly burning their membership cards - but how many will just let membership lapse? How many might renew in a half-hearted way, having 'fallen out of love' with Corbyn. But the most important question for the party, as the article alludes: Are young people as motivated to get out and vote Labour now?

 

[Strongbow]

The headline states.

Evening Standard reporting that Saint Jeremy is losing young voters in droves :
Actual Headline :Why young people are abandoning Jeremy Corbyn

And then goes on to give not one shred of evidence of it.
Not evidence but interviews :
Shakira Martin believes that Corbyn was hoodwinking Remain supporters all along. The stupid thing is, she adds, ‘I believed in Jeremy Corbyn so much that if he’d have given me a reasonable enough explanation two years ago as to why leaving the EU was beneficial, then he potentially could’ve swung me. But he didn’t.’
Many, like Rosie McKenna, 24, who works as a policy co-ordinator for a charity, believes Corbyn to be ‘a secret Lexiter’ (a Labour or left-wing Brexiteer). As a ‘proud socialist’, McKenna believed in Corbyn’s ‘vision’ when she joined the party in 2015. She stayed loyal, despite her disappointment with his lacklustre backing of Remain. ‘But this year I’ve become very frustrated,’ she says. ‘Some of that is to do with Brexit, some with anti-Semitism.’
Jonathan, 24, agreed with Michael Mackenzie, 23, that ‘if a snap election was called, Jeremy Corbyn would take a hammering. Labour would be stuffed.’ This is a shame, Mackenzie says, because he joined Labour precisely because he saw Corbyn as someone who ‘represented a change from the really stagnant politics of the past’.

Quite simple really.

Come on Philly play nice ...............................

 

[Strongbow]

Sort of fair enough. The referencing of information sources is not up to 'academic' standards - I'll certainly give you that! And, we all know what newspaper headline writers are like. But it's (typically) OTT to say there is not one shred of evidence. There's actually quite a lot of circumstantial evidence given.

Corbyn is seen as dithering on Brexit. Disingenuous really... He won't say it, but he's trying to avoid implementing the conference policy in relation to a second referendum. And so where the quoted opinion poll (unidentified but presumably based on some truth) finds that confidence of 18-34yr olds in Corbyn's handling of Brexit has dropped by 27 percentage points - it definitely rings true. And that's a very big number.

The Standard probably tries to imply that this equates to a similar percentage drop in young people who'd vote for Corbyn... although it doesn't actually say that... it talks about him "losing" young people - about them 'deserting' him - about them 'falling out of love' with him. That's not what the presented evidence says. But the article does allude to evidence that large numbers of 18-34yr olds would prefer us to Remain - that Corbyn has an anti-EU history - that masses of young people have lost confidence in Corbyn's handling of the issue and put that all together, and it's not unreasonable to suggest that young people's support of Corbyn is falling.

But of course, when it comes to supporting Saint Jeremy, you'll just pretend it's ALL fake news (when only a portion of it is!)

 

[AndySaville]

Meanwhile it seems Labour Lambeth Council (whose 3 MPs are Labour x2 and Chuka) gave Henley Homes permission to segregate the play areas around their housing developments so that children from social housing were kept separate from those living in neighbouring privately owned properties.

Permission being given of course had nothing to do with the £75,000 Henley donated to Jeremy Corbyn or the £15,000 they gave to Sadiq.

 

[raefil]

Brilliant tory Boys back on the day when the tories have utterly failed the country and made us the laughing stock of the world.

Lambeth eh

lol

 

[raefil]

Meanwhile it seems Labour Lambeth Council (whose 3 MPs are Labour x2 and Chuka) gave Henley Homes permission to segregate the play areas around their housing developments so that children from social housing were kept separate from those living in neighbouring privately owned properties.

Permission being given of course had nothing to do with the £75,000 Henley donated to Jeremy Corbyn or the £15,000 they gave to Sadiq.

Lets check list of donations to see if thats true.

check away tory boy.

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