This corona virus thing...

Bobbage

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How come there were 445 deaths missed off the daily stats recently that have been added to the overall total today?
 

26-0

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Is anyone happy that the Govt are abandoning the lockdown even though there are currently still as many daily deaths as there were when they were prompted to impose the lockdown in the first place?
 

jakehake

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Is anyone happy that the Govt are abandoning the lockdown even though there are currently still as many daily deaths as there were when they were prompted to impose the lockdown in the first place?
they are just winging it now. Seems it was always the case. The Primary school return was based on the same rules as the secondary returnBut they changed their mind as they realise most secondary school kids walk to school together.
Can only hope the stories from Italy have some credibility about the virus.
People wanted the economy to restart and that’s what they’ve done. Nothing we can change

(Corbyn and Abbott would have had people in air raid shelters in the tube by now I’m sure)
 

Regardless

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Is anyone happy that the Govt are abandoning the lockdown even though there are currently still as many daily deaths as there were when they were prompted to impose the lockdown in the first place?
Without really answering your question... it's fair to point out that with the time lag involved between contracting the virus and dying, there is a massive difference between the milestones you mention. Much less worrying when deaths are declining rather than increasing.
 

portisheadpete

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Is anyone happy that the Govt are abandoning the lockdown even though there are currently still as many daily deaths as there were when they were prompted to impose the lockdown in the first place?
I think restrictions need to be relaxed. The mishandling now means there is more risk to both to health and the economy than there needed to be. If everyone had been better encouraged to return to activity but with vigilance and compliance to rules inc masks then we could continue to protect ourselves but have confidence to return to work . Im afraid many especially the older will voluntarily stay indoors mostly and relatively economically inactive in seeing many being careless with their behaviour - and that isnt good for anyone.
 

Dirty Harry

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Is anyone happy that the Govt are abandoning the lockdown even though there are currently still as many daily deaths as there were when they were prompted to impose the lockdown in the first place?
I find it odd, there is obviously an economic angle to this. However, a few scientists are suggesting the virus has now possibly mutated into a less deadly form and maybe that's what makes them feel it is worth lifting the lock down. But with this lot in charge, who knows?
 

Dirty Harry

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I think restrictions need to be relaxed. The mishandling now means there is more risk to both to health and the economy than there needed to be. If everyone had been better encouraged to return to activity but with vigilance and compliance to rules inc masks then we could continue to protect ourselves but have confidence to return to work . Im afraid many especially the older will voluntarily stay indoors mostly and relatively economically inactive in seeing many being careless with their behaviour - and that isnt good for anyone.
You're right there, Pete. My mum, and my wife's mum and dad, are all still not willing to leave their houses just yet. They want to give it a bit longer.
 

Dirty Harry

Advisor to the Owner
Seems Johnson is more determined to protect Cummings than we thought. A sacked Cabinet aid, dismissed by Cummings after he accused her of lying (oh, the irony) and who insisted she hand him her phone to check through messages, is claiming dismissal on grounds of sex discrimination. The Government have tried to get the name of the respondent in the case changed from 'Cummings' to 'The Cabinet'. But they've failed.
I think I've got that right, it's early and I've just got up!
 

nigelscamelcoat

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Seems Johnson is more determined to protect Cummings than we thought. A sacked Cabinet aid, dismissed by Cummings after he accused her of lying (oh, the irony) and who insisted she hand him her phone to check through messages, is claiming dismissal on grounds of sex discrimination. The Government have tried to get the name of the respondent in the case changed from 'Cummings' to 'The Cabinet'. But they've failed.
I think I've got that right, it's early and I've just got up!
Yes you're correct Harry, I assume you can be subpoenaed to a tribunal? In which case he wouldn't be able to weasel out of it like he did over the campaign overspending-piece of work he is.
 

nigelscamelcoat

Advisor to the Owner
Seems Johnson is more determined to protect Cummings than we thought. A sacked Cabinet aid, dismissed by Cummings after he accused her of lying (oh, the irony) and who insisted she hand him her phone to check through messages, is claiming dismissal on grounds of sex discrimination. The Government have tried to get the name of the respondent in the case changed from 'Cummings' to 'The Cabinet'. But they've failed.
I think I've got that right, it's early and I've just got up!
 

Bobbage

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Northern Covid-19 infection rate nearly double London's

Coronavirus infection rates in England's northern regions are now nearly double that in London, according to a new estimate.

The figures, from King's College London, suggest the daily rate of infection is sitting at around 11,000 across the UK, significantly higher than the 1,936 cases confirmed by Public Health England yesterday.

There is substantial regional variation within the UK according to the figures, which are drawn from the COVID Symptom Study, an app to track coronavirus symptoms that has been downloaded by 3.7 million people.

The mid-point of their current estimates for London is for 124 infections per million people, while in the North West the figure is 215 per million and in the North East and Yorkshire it is 225 per million.

It comes as members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) - which advises the Government on the Covid-19 response - have warned the easing of lockdown has come too soon and could cause a spike in the spread of coronavirus.

Further Telegraph analysis of official data shows that pockets of the UK are still grappling with high rates of infection, hospitalisation and Covid-19 deaths.

11,000 new daily infections

The current infection rate of coronavirus in the UK is not a known quantity, with the number of confirmed cases thought to be significantly lower than the number of actual cases in the community.

The latest figures from Public Health England show that 1,936 people were newly confirmed via a laboratory test as having Covid-19 on Sunday.
However, estimates from the COVID Symptom Study - a project being run by King's College London and ZOE - put the figure much higher at 11,300.

There is large regional variation in the UK's coronavirus epidemic

There is significant regional variation within this metric. London and the South of England are estimated to have the lowest infection rates in the UK with the current rate standing at as few as 82 infections per million people in the capital.

Meanwhile, the rate in Wales and Northern Ireland could be as high as 768 per million.
Even within England, the minimum infection rate is three times higher in the North East and Yorkshire than the South West - 157 and 52 respectively.

The North West alone could have as many as 2,000 new cases per day according to the study's upper confidence interval.

Hospitalisation remains high in pockets of the country

According to data published by COBR at the government's daily press briefing, the number of patients in hospitals with Covid-19 is falling across the UK.

But the virus peaked earliest in London, and is taking longer to be expelled from the regions and devolved nations.

In the North West and Yorkshire the rate of patients in hospital is almost twice as high than in London when adjusted for population, as of May 30.

Hospitalisation rates by region

In Wales and Northern Ireland the rate is three times higher.

The peak in the number of Covid cases in hospital arrived in London on April 8, with 53.7 cases per 100,000 people. It has now fallen by 91 per cent to just 8.7.

Hospitals in the Midlands experienced their peak just two days later with 57.6 patients per 100,000 people. But seven weeks later, the number has only fallen 79 per cent - to 20.8 per 100,000.

In Wales the peak came significantly later - on April 25 with a rate of 42.7. The number is falling slowly, with a current rate of 33.2 cases - a fall of 69 per cent.

Death rates
Six of the ten highest death rates over the last three weeks of available data have been among communities in the North and Midlands, according to data from the Office for National Statistics.

Some of the worst affected local authorities in the three weeks to May 15 include Stratford on Avon, with 53 deaths per 100,000 people, Carlisle at 47.8, and Hartlepool at 43.8.

It mirrors a trend away from the capital as the epicentre of Covid-19 has shifted in recent weeks.

Deaths per local authority
Middlesborough and South Lakeland have now seen higher overall death rates than the majority of London boroughs.
While Harrow and Hertsmere have seen the highest death rates from Covid-19 to date, the number has slowed to between 30 and 34 deaths per 100,000 over the last three weeks.

The huge variation in the prevalence of the virus across the country, and relatively high infection rates, prompted some members of Sage to publicly urge caution as the government pursued a relaxation of lockdown rules on Monday.

Professor John Edmunds, who attends meetings of the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), warned that ministers are "taking some risk" by relaxing lockdown measures while the number of new cases each day remains "relatively high".

Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust and a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) which advises the Government on coronavirus, agreed lockdown measures are being lifted too early.

Sir Jeremy also said the newly-introduced NHS test and trace system needed to be "fully working" before measures were eased.

He wrote: "Covid-19 spreading too fast to lift lockdown in England. Agree with John & clear science advice."

"TTI (test, trace and isolate) has to be in place, fully working, capable dealing any surge immediately, locally responsive, rapid results & infection rates have to be lower. And trusted."

 

John T

Advisor to the Owner
Northern Covid-19 infection rate nearly double London's

Coronavirus infection rates in England's northern regions are now nearly double that in London, according to a new estimate.

The figures, from King's College London, suggest the daily rate of infection is sitting at around 11,000 across the UK, significantly higher than the 1,936 cases confirmed by Public Health England yesterday.

There is substantial regional variation within the UK according to the figures, which are drawn from the COVID Symptom Study, an app to track coronavirus symptoms that has been downloaded by 3.7 million people.

The mid-point of their current estimates for London is for 124 infections per million people, while in the North West the figure is 215 per million and in the North East and Yorkshire it is 225 per million.

It comes as members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) - which advises the Government on the Covid-19 response - have warned the easing of lockdown has come too soon and could cause a spike in the spread of coronavirus.

Further Telegraph analysis of official data shows that pockets of the UK are still grappling with high rates of infection, hospitalisation and Covid-19 deaths.

11,000 new daily infections

The current infection rate of coronavirus in the UK is not a known quantity, with the number of confirmed cases thought to be significantly lower than the number of actual cases in the community.

The latest figures from Public Health England show that 1,936 people were newly confirmed via a laboratory test as having Covid-19 on Sunday.
However, estimates from the COVID Symptom Study - a project being run by King's College London and ZOE - put the figure much higher at 11,300.

There is large regional variation in the UK's coronavirus epidemic

There is significant regional variation within this metric. London and the South of England are estimated to have the lowest infection rates in the UK with the current rate standing at as few as 82 infections per million people in the capital.

Meanwhile, the rate in Wales and Northern Ireland could be as high as 768 per million.
Even within England, the minimum infection rate is three times higher in the North East and Yorkshire than the South West - 157 and 52 respectively.

The North West alone could have as many as 2,000 new cases per day according to the study's upper confidence interval.

Hospitalisation remains high in pockets of the country

According to data published by COBR at the government's daily press briefing, the number of patients in hospitals with Covid-19 is falling across the UK.

But the virus peaked earliest in London, and is taking longer to be expelled from the regions and devolved nations.

In the North West and Yorkshire the rate of patients in hospital is almost twice as high than in London when adjusted for population, as of May 30.

Hospitalisation rates by region

In Wales and Northern Ireland the rate is three times higher.

The peak in the number of Covid cases in hospital arrived in London on April 8, with 53.7 cases per 100,000 people. It has now fallen by 91 per cent to just 8.7.

Hospitals in the Midlands experienced their peak just two days later with 57.6 patients per 100,000 people. But seven weeks later, the number has only fallen 79 per cent - to 20.8 per 100,000.

In Wales the peak came significantly later - on April 25 with a rate of 42.7. The number is falling slowly, with a current rate of 33.2 cases - a fall of 69 per cent.

Death rates
Six of the ten highest death rates over the last three weeks of available data have been among communities in the North and Midlands, according to data from the Office for National Statistics.

Some of the worst affected local authorities in the three weeks to May 15 include Stratford on Avon, with 53 deaths per 100,000 people, Carlisle at 47.8, and Hartlepool at 43.8.

It mirrors a trend away from the capital as the epicentre of Covid-19 has shifted in recent weeks.

Deaths per local authority
Middlesborough and South Lakeland have now seen higher overall death rates than the majority of London boroughs.
While Harrow and Hertsmere have seen the highest death rates from Covid-19 to date, the number has slowed to between 30 and 34 deaths per 100,000 over the last three weeks.

The huge variation in the prevalence of the virus across the country, and relatively high infection rates, prompted some members of Sage to publicly urge caution as the government pursued a relaxation of lockdown rules on Monday.

Professor John Edmunds, who attends meetings of the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), warned that ministers are "taking some risk" by relaxing lockdown measures while the number of new cases each day remains "relatively high".

Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust and a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) which advises the Government on coronavirus, agreed lockdown measures are being lifted too early.

Sir Jeremy also said the newly-introduced NHS test and trace system needed to be "fully working" before measures were eased.

He wrote: "Covid-19 spreading too fast to lift lockdown in England. Agree with John & clear science advice."

"TTI (test, trace and isolate) has to be in place, fully working, capable dealing any surge immediately, locally responsive, rapid results & infection rates have to be lower. And trusted."


Not really surprised by this as apart from the Ex Pats being flown home from Wuhan and Quarantined in Warrington (all I think proven Negative) probably the South and London in particular took the brunt of the first wave, so it looks that now their figures are coming down, while ‘Up Here’ who saw the Virus later should still be higher.

In fact if you think about it (instead of being politically motivated), Italy and Spain were in the forefront before us, which is probably why their rates are coming down faster too, at least IMO

As for the ‘Medical experts’ they like us to think they are much superior to us ‘mere mortals’ but the evidence as far as I can see is, they are still very much ‘in the dark as regards treatment, hence first the Lockdown and now the emphasise on Social Distancing

Perhaps Our Politicians s who know less, and we posters who know less still, should just follow the advice and hope for the best
 

Bobbage

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As for the ‘Medical experts’ they like us to think they are much superior to us ‘mere mortals’ but the evidence as far as I can see is, they are still very much ‘in the dark as regards treatment, hence first the Lockdown and now the emphasise on Social Distancing

Perhaps Our Politicians s who know less, and we posters who know less still, should just follow the advice and hope for the best
So how come Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are following the scientific advice and gradually easing the lockdown, yet England have gone completely against the advice and fully opened up, turning the country in to a massive free-for-all?
 

northender0602

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So how come Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are following the scientific advice and gradually easing the lockdown, yet England have gone completely against the advice and fully opened up, turning the country in to a massive free-for-all?
We haven’t fully opened up, no major stores open yet, gps surgeries will not be back to normal anytime soon, Schools are not all open. We are no where near fully opened up yet. It’s the idiots that ignore the advice, that make it look like we have.
 
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