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New Rhondda Valley restrictions linked to Doncaster races trip

Steven Morris

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A trip to Doncaster races has been blamed for a cluster of coronavirus cases in the Rhondda Valley, south Wales, as restrictions were tightened severely.
The Welsh government said one of the clusters in the area was associated “with a club outing to the Doncaster races, which stopped off at a series of pubs on the way”.
More than 2,500 spectators were allowed into the first day of the meeting last week.
Other clusters are associated with a rugby club and pub in the lower Rhondda.
A range of new measures will come into force from 6pm tomorrow.
  • People will not be allowed to enter or leave the Rhondda Cynon Taf council area without a reasonable excuse.
  • People will only be able to meet outdoors for the time being. People will not be able to meet members of their extended household indoors or form an extended household.
  • All licensed premises will have to close at 11pm.
The Welsh health minister, Vaughan Gething, said:



The latest figures show the rolling seven-day new case rate is 82.1 per 100,000 people in Rhondda Cynon Taf. Yesterday, the testing positivity rate was 4.3% – this is the highest positivity rate in Wales.


Contact-tracing teams have been able to trace about half of the cases back to a series of clusters in the borough. The rest are linked to community transmission.
 

LostinSpace

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How can you claim a test that records high numbers of false positives and records previous corona virus infections as positives.. is any way scientific ?

10,000 tests with 5% positives = 500 positive tests.
100,000 tests with 5% positives = 5000 positive tests
1,000,000 tests with 5% positives = 50,000 positive tests.. reported as a dramatic increase in "cases" and justification for restrictions.

The numbers of infections per million haven't increased.. just the numbers of tests have found more "positives"... result new restrictions.
That’s the way the media report, but to be fair to the government, they quote cases per 100,000.
 

Bobbage

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Very odd that the PHW lot got their "facts" so completely wrong. You'd think they'd ensure that they had checked thoroughly before shooting their mouths off.
Nothing to do Matt Hancock and Dido Harding being in the Jockey Club at all...

I mean, it's not like the Cheltenham Festival affected the spread of the virus the first time around, they told us it didn't...
 

PNEESSEX

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Interesting analysis of how the test and trace systems have failed and who is responsoble for this. Outsourcing to the likes of Deloitte and Serco has cost eye wateringly large amounts of ££ and we have a shambles on our hand
 

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Interesting analysis of how the test and trace systems have failed and who is responsoble for this. Outsourcing to the likes of Deloitte and Serco has cost eye wateringly large amounts of ££ and we have a shambles on our hand
It also seems to have taken the ‘government’ by surprise that when the universities reopen, they want their scientific staff back.
 

Regardless

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One of our children had a bit of a cough from last Thursday. Nothing bad at all and exactly like she does at the start of every school year. School obviously must have noticed but come Monday morning, we thought it polite to ring school and just ask for advice - not wanting the other children to be worried, even though she coughs only a few times a day and only for a fee seconds. We were probably too polite.
Can’t really blame school- but we were told not to send her back until we have a negative test.
Mon-Wed not once got past the “please try later page” when trying to book a test and anyway, is she really a priority over social care workers etc?
Yesterday afternoon, rang school. Clearly no one else is keeping their children off with minor coughs, as we’re told that there’s a lot about and that she should come back in today.
No big deal. Shame she missed 3 more days at a time she’s settling back in to school life. But just a small personal anecdote to illustrate the difficult issues around us all.
 

PNEESSEX

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It also seems to have taken the ‘government’ by surprise that when the universities reopen, they want their scientific staff back.
They haven't exactly covered themsleves in glory. It's not as if people like SERCO don't already have a history of balls ups. It's the pathetic idea that the private sector are always best at everything when history shows that clearly they're not.
 

PNEESSEX

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One of our children had a bit of a cough from last Thursday. Nothing bad at all and exactly like she does at the start of every school year. School obviously must have noticed but come Monday morning, we thought it polite to ring school and just ask for advice - not wanting the other children to be worried, even though she coughs only a few times a day and only for a fee seconds. We were probably too polite.
Can’t really blame school- but we were told not to send her back until we have a negative test.
Mon-Wed not once got past the “please try later page” when trying to book a test and anyway, is she really a priority over social care workers etc?
Yesterday afternoon, rang school. Clearly no one else is keeping their children off with minor coughs, as we’re told that there’s a lot about and that she should come back in today.
No big deal. Shame she missed 3 more days at a time she’s settling back in to school life. But just a small personal anecdote to illustrate the difficult issues around us all.
It shouldn't have been beyond the wit of our decision makers to understand that kids returning to school would lead to a greater need for readily available tests. They were banging on about every school having been supplied with test at home kits the other day, while failing to mention that all schools have been issued with 10 kits only, regardless of size of school. Whoever thought that was an effective response to term beginning was clearly a complete idiot.
 

Bobbage

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It shouldn't have been beyond the wit of our decision makers to understand that kids returning to school would lead to a greater need for readily available tests. They were banging on about every school having been supplied with test at home kits the other day, while failing to mention that all schools have been issued with 10 kits only, regardless of size of school. Whoever thought that was an effective response to term beginning was clearly a complete idiot.
No no no, it's the evil Unions and Sir Keir Starmer highlighting these issues in advance that's the problem! Except that then it happens months down the line with no preparations having been done (other than blaming people) and there's suddenly an "unexpected" problem to deal with...
 

jgriff2296

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One of our children had a bit of a cough from last Thursday. Nothing bad at all and exactly like she does at the start of every school year. School obviously must have noticed but come Monday morning, we thought it polite to ring school and just ask for advice - not wanting the other children to be worried, even though she coughs only a few times a day and only for a fee seconds. We were probably too polite.
Can’t really blame school- but we were told not to send her back until we have a negative test.
Mon-Wed not once got past the “please try later page” when trying to book a test and anyway, is she really a priority over social care workers etc?
Yesterday afternoon, rang school. Clearly no one else is keeping their children off with minor coughs, as we’re told that there’s a lot about and that she should come back in today.
No big deal. Shame she missed 3 more days at a time she’s settling back in to school life. But just a small personal anecdote to illustrate the difficult issues around us all.
I posted something similar on Monday. My granddaughter had a cold with a niggly cough. They kept her off school and got her tested (a traumatic few hours on the flag market). The test came back negative and both her and her brother returned to school today. Who'd have thought that kids might get colds on their return to school in September?
 

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Are these deaths a direct result of Covid or people who tested positive in the last 28 days? As the paragraph at the bottom right seems to say the 28 day cut off?
yes, its those whove tested positive within the last 28 days.

There are seperate figures for longer periods available.

PHE has now released the data for 60-day and no cutoff, they are;
- Deaths (60-day): 45,563 (+22)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,213 (+67)
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.57
- Death AVG no cut: 55.14

 

Sepp Blatter

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yes, its those whove tested positive within the last 28 days.

There are seperate figures for longer periods available.

PHE has now released the data for 60-day and no cutoff, they are;
- Deaths (60-day): 45,563 (+22)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,213 (+67)
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.57
- Death AVG no cut: 55.14

So, no real jump in the daily number of deaths - not to say it can't happen, but it isn't rising in line with the increased number of positive tests. Much like many other European countries at the moment.

Are those arguing that it is due to more testing/testing sensitivity correct, or is this the calm before the winter storm?

Never noticed that Twitter user before, so just subscribed, thanks! :D
 

Bobbage

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So, no real jump in the daily number of deaths - not to say it can't happen, but it isn't rising in line with the increased number of positive tests. Much like many other European countries at the moment.

Are those arguing that it is due to more testing/testing sensitivity correct, or is this the calm before the winter storm?

Never noticed that Twitter user before, so just subscribed, thanks! :D
Wait until the nights draw in and the vitamin D levels drop, that's the reason people aren't dying at the moment.

Supplements are a cheap, easy solution but because there's no profit in it the big countries are pursuing a "vaccine" instead.

The death rate will go up as Winter arrives, we'll lock down again compounding the problem and many thousands will needlessly die.

Vitamin D dampens down the cytokine storm which is what is causing all these deaths with (not from) Covid-19.
 

northender0602

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yes, its those whove tested positive within the last 28 days.

There are seperate figures for longer periods available.

PHE has now released the data for 60-day and no cutoff, they are;
- Deaths (60-day): 45,563 (+22)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,213 (+67)
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.57
- Death AVG no cut: 55.14

So is it still a case of if you get kicked to death by a horse, it will be logged as Covid because you tested positive in the last 28 days?
 
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