This Week in Dictatorship Britain

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Mods - This looks too important to get buried in other political threads... if this MP's interpretation of the latest Policing Bill proposal is even nearly correct.

Just LOOK at these 5 posts. [EDIT... I COPY PASTED THE CONTENT IN THE NEXT POST]

 
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Here's the text of the tweets, copy-pasted to save you the trouble!

If you thought the Policing Bill was bad before, that was nothing compared to the latest version. Priti Patel has quietly added further measures to effectively criminalise protest. These laws belong in a dictatorship, not a democracy. Some of the worst new powers 1/5

Police will be able to stop & search at protests to avoid a "public nuisance". If you refuse, you face jail time. Attaching yourself to anything, carrying "equipment" for this, even potentially holding hands will be illegal. 2/5

Most terrifying of all: new Asbo-like orders can be imposed on protesters, even if no crime is committed. These remove rights to freedom of speech and assembly + can ban you from certain places, seeing certain people, carrying certain items, encouraging protest online. 3/5

It was through protest that people won some of our most fundamental rights - the right to vote, for example. No wonder Priti Patel wants to criminalise it. We are sliding rapidly into an authoritarian society. We have to stop this Bill. 4/5

This article has more detail 5/5

 

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Mugged 96-year-old war hero's medals replaced by serving soldier

A 96-year-old veteran whose war medals were ripped from his chest by a mugger while paying his respects at his local cenotaph has had them replaced by a serving soldier.

At a surprise presentation hosted by Rochdale football club last night, Jim Marland, a Private when he served with Durham Light Infantry Brigade, received replacement original WW2 medals on the pitch at half-time of their League Two match with Stevenage.


He received a guard of honour to the centre of the pitch and was greeted with warm applause from the crowd.


Jim was at Rochdale Cenotaph prior to Remembrance when he was pushed to the ground and robbed of the medals and other personal belongings. It was a couple of days before the shaken former soldier felt able to tell his family.

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Ha ha ha.

Hyperbole at it's finest!
Do you have no worries about the provisions of this Policing Bill?

And please look past the rage induced (in many) by Insulate Britain tactics - and look at the actual powers proposed for the state here.

Imagine that Johnson’s corruption and failure to “Level Up” leads to a socialist government. Would you want that government to have these powers to quell any of YOUR protests against them?
 

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The irony is that the Tories savagely cut Policing around 2011 and there are nowhere near as many police, so mass arrests are unlikely as they simply do not have the numbers.
This is great for them in theory at a small demo but anything large and its impossible to enforce.
 

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Do you have no worries about the provisions of this Policing Bill?

And please look past the rage induced (in many) by Insulate Britain tactics - and look at the actual powers proposed for the state here.

Imagine that Johnson’s corruption and failure to “Level Up” leads to a socialist government. Would you want that government to have these powers to quell any of YOUR protests against them?

I wouldn't want any incoming government to inherit the massive debt incurred under the present incumbents, it will take a decade or two to sort out the mess. Nevertheless it has to be done and probably will take a coalition administration, to sort it out.

Sooner we get PR and rid this country of what is now a one Party state.
 

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Do you have no worries about the provisions of this Policing Bill?

And please look past the rage induced (in many) by Insulate Britain tactics - and look at the actual powers proposed for the state here.

Imagine that Johnson’s corruption and failure to “Level Up” leads to a socialist government. Would you want that government to have these powers to quell any of YOUR protests against them?

Quite frankly I have no idea what is in or isn't in the policing bill. I was just amused by Raef's over the top statement regarding fascism in the Conservative Party. Clearly he has never been to a fascist country and if he has then he should know better.

I had a work colleague who, like much of this board, was (hard) left. Anyhow he went to Honduras for a holiday and he got thrown in jail for a minor discrepancy on his passport - nothing that he was aware of or could have done anything about. The experience caused him never to complain about British police methods again.
 
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I wouldn't want any incoming government to inherit the massive debt incurred under the present incumbents, it will take a decade or two to sort out the mess. Nevertheless it has to be done and probably will take a coalition administration, to sort it out.

Sooner we get PR and rid this country of what is now a one Party state.
Fair enough reach your - but I am kind of hoping this thread will stay focused on civil liberty issues.
 
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Quite frankly I have no idea what is in or isn't in the policing bill. I was just amused by Raef's over the top statement regarding fascism in the Conservative Party. Clearly he has never been to a fascist country and if he has then he should know better.

I had a work colleague who, like much of this board, was (hard) left. Anyhow he went to Honduras for a holiday and he got thrown in jail for a minor discrepancy on his passport - nothing that he was aware of or could have done anything about. The experience caused him never to complain about British police methods again.

Quite frankly, I think you need to read the first two posts of this thread - then you would have an idea what is in the bill - and can make a more informed comment!

Personally I have no idea about Honduran policing - but I do know that history shows that Police States, and similar, don’t usually just “happen”. Historians can usually easily identify a decade or two where such countries were on a near unstoppable trajectory towards such authoritarianism.

Clearly the UK is a long way from being such a state - but the warning signs are there. Simple example- already protests that (could be deemed to) create enough noise to cause distress to even one passer-by would trigger big police powers, according to the Bill - that got through its first reading. How could the UK allow its rights of demonstration to be watered down like this?

But the newly proposed additional powers- are really moving a lot lot further.

People on the Centre-Right/Right often claim the flag and claim to be the “Free”. You need to keep your eyes on people who would smile at you sweetly and mesmerise, whilst removing those freedoms right in front of your eyes!
 

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Quite frankly, I think you need to read the first two posts of this thread - then you would have an idea what is in the bill - and can make a more informed comment!

Personally I have no idea about Honduran policing - but I do know that history shows that Police States, and similar, don’t usually just “happen”. Historians can usually easily identify a decade or two where such countries were on a near unstoppable trajectory towards such authoritarianism.

Clearly the UK is a long way from being such a state - but the warning signs are there. Simple example- already protests that (could be deemed to) create enough noise to cause distress to even one passer-by would trigger big police powers, according to the Bill - that got through its first reading. How could the UK allow its rights of demonstration to be watered down like this?

But the newly proposed additional powers- are really moving a lot lot further.

People on the Centre-Right/Right often claim the flag and claim to be the “Free”. You need to keep your eyes on people who would smile at you sweetly and mesmerise, whilst removing those freedoms right in front of your eyes!
Just had a gander at it.

Labour MP moans about Conservative policies - what a surprise.

Guess what. If people had protested within the law and obeyed the law then none of this would be necessary. As usual the left, liberals and assorted do-gooders think they are above the law, then whine and moan when they are stopped from running amok through the streets.
 

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Just had a gander at it.

Labour MP moans about Conservative policies - what a surprise.

Guess what. If people had protested within the law and obeyed the law then none of this would be necessary. As usual the left, liberals and assorted do-gooders think they are above the law, then whine and moan when they are stopped from running amok through the streets.
They weren't running, in fact they were sitting down...
 

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Quite frankly, I think you need to read the first two posts of this thread - then you would have an idea what is in the bill - and can make a more informed comment!

Personally I have no idea about Honduran policing - but I do know that history shows that Police States, and similar, don’t usually just “happen”. Historians can usually easily identify a decade or two where such countries were on a near unstoppable trajectory towards such authoritarianism.

Clearly the UK is a long way from being such a state - but the warning signs are there. Simple example- already protests that (could be deemed to) create enough noise to cause distress to even one passer-by would trigger big police powers, according to the Bill - that got through its first reading. How could the UK allow its rights of demonstration to be watered down like this?

But the newly proposed additional powers- are really moving a lot lot further.

People on the Centre-Right/Right often claim the flag and claim to be the “Free”. You need to keep your eyes on people who would smile at you sweetly and mesmerise, whilst removing those freedoms right in front of your eyes!
Yup - once they start chipping away at democracy through stripping away the right to protest, it opens some dark doors. If you don't stop it, they eventually render your ability to change anything through the ballot box meaningless.

We know that here all too well - and hope that the UK does not go the same way.
 
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Just had a gander at it.

Labour MP moans about Conservative policies - what a surprise.

Guess what. If people had protested within the law and obeyed the law then none of this would be necessary. As usual the left, liberals and assorted do-gooders think they are above the law, then whine and moan when they are stopped from running amok through the streets.

Obviously I get where you’re coming from some of the footage is not a “good look”.

But if you’re angry at a few hundred people blocking roads or at the odd individual jumping on top of a vehicle, it really is time to keep a cool head and not overreact - otherwise there could be some nasty unwanted consequences.

You’re saying that these protesters have been acting outside the law. Then what’s the problem? Prosecute them.

Why would the government want to bring in additional laws that very significantly curtail people’s rights of assembly and free speech, when you recognise that laws to stop these activities already exist?
 
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Just had a gander at it.

Labour MP moans about Conservative policies - what a surprise.

Guess what. If people had protested within the law and obeyed the law then none of this would be necessary. As usual the left, liberals and assorted do-gooders think they are above the law, then whine and moan when they are stopped from running amok through the streets.

One other point. Imagine that the next government responds to some future crisis by proposing to allow in 2 million Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis etc. - with a large number allocated to Preston.

Imagine you’re not happy with the proposal.

Now imagine that you are only allowed to protest within the confines of Avenham Park. And limited to holding up placards and listening to speeches. Maybe signing petitions.

Would you be happy? Would you be consoled by being able to blame those bloody do-gooders back in 2021? No. You would not.

If you want Draconian police powers to curtail people who hold opposing views to you, you need to accept that they could just as well be used against you. We NEED a strong right of protest - a right on which this Britain of ours was built.
 

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One other point. Imagine that the next government responds to some future crisis by proposing to allow in 2 million Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis etc. - with a large number allocated to Preston.

Imagine you’re not happy with the proposal.

Now imagine that you are only allowed to protest within the confines of Avenham Park. And limited to holding up placards and listening to speeches. Maybe signing petitions.

Would you be happy? Would you be consoled by being able to blame those bloody do-gooders back in 2021? No. You would not.

If you want Draconian police powers to curtail people who hold opposing views to you, you need to accept that they could just as well be used against you. We NEED a strong right of protest - a right on which this Britain of ours was built.
This idea that criticising governments for taking away the right to protest is somehow a leftie, do gooder thing bemuses me.

There are plenty of right-leaning libertarians and traditional liberals who are just as dismayed by such actions. This goes beyond the crude left-right spectrum.
 
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