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This week in tory run Britain

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raefil

raefil

Dolly Patron
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She called Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng “superficially” black, in respect of his private education, and added that hearing Kwarteng speak "you wouldn’t know he is black", she is endorsing the view that education or speech characteristics are capable of defining racial identity, so my previous comments stand, you are inventing a narrative that moves the remark into a different context, that fits more comfortably into your interpretation of Kwarteng’s character, which, appears at least, to be not dissimilar to hers.

You are free to challenge any bodies idealism, actions but to pursue those in denying someone their racial identity must be called out, and in my book, there are no exceptions.

When somebody stands on a podium, during a debate, and expresses an unpopular view and is subsequently silenced by those who recognise it as that, then that is woke, they are turning a discussion into an endorsement of the populist view and that is not a debate.
The use of Woke, Gammon, whichever is the insult of your personal flavor is used for one purpose only and that is not to stimulate but stifle debate.

Its that simple.
 

outreacher

Respect Nature
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I know nothing about Government borrowing or how the UK's debt is financed. After having a brief read, some media sources are saying, to finance the tax cuts the Government will have to borrow 150 billion over 2 years, plus the BoE are buying bonds at a cost of 65 billion. Round that off, give or take a few billion, that amounts to let's say £200 billion, have I got that correct?

Directed at financial experts on the forum.
 

Liberation

Forum Patron
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I know nothing about Government borrowing or how the UK's debt is financed. After having a brief read, some media sources are saying, to finance the tax cuts the Government will have to borrow 150 billion over 2 years, plus the BoE are buying bonds at a cost of 65 billion. Round that off, give or take a few billion, that amounts to let's say £200 billion, have I got that correct?

Directed at financial experts on the forum.

We could save over half that by scrapping HS2..
 

Portishead

Forum Patron
Patron
She called Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng “superficially” black, in respect of his private education, and added that hearing Kwarteng speak "you wouldn’t know he is black", she is endorsing the view that education or speech characteristics are capable of defining racial identity, so my previous comments stand, you are inventing a narrative that moves the remark into a different context, that fits more comfortably into your interpretation of Kwarteng’s character, which, appears at least, to be not dissimilar to hers.

You are free to challenge any bodies idealism, actions but to pursue those in denying someone their racial identity must be called out, and in my book, there are no exceptions.

When somebody stands on a podium, during a debate, and expresses an unpopular view and is subsequently silenced by those who recognise it as that, then that is woke, they are turning a discussion into an endorsement of the populist view and that is not a debate.

Its a bit rich to be lectured by someone on silencing and debate having been erroneously labelled as a Labour supporter and then have the standard anti semite reference in the same para. Particularly given the Al Jazeerah doc doing the rounds. Hey ho. Back to sleep now as I clearly woke up too early. The only silencing Ive spotted is of the Mp making the silly comment and Truss's self imposed vow of silence. Since words otherwise tumble out of her mouth in random order.
 

Summat

First Team
Its a bit rich to be lectured by someone on silencing and debate having been erroneously labelled as a Labour supporter and then have the standard anti semite reference in the same para. Particularly given the Al Jazeerah doc doing the rounds. Hey ho. Back to sleep now as I clearly woke up too early. The only silencing Ive spotted is of the Mp making the silly comment and Truss's self imposed vow of silence. Since words otherwise tumble out of her mouth in random order.
Did you ever wake up, do not recall labelling you as a labour supporter, not directly anyway, poor swerve by the way.
 

Dirty Harry

Forum Patron
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Truss now saying we needed this mini budget to get the economy growing? They've been telling us for ages now that the economy is strong, so why the need to get it going?
First action now apparently is to cut spending - and Welfare is the first target.
What a complete mess the country and the Government is.
 

BeteNoir

Advisor to the Owner
Truss isn't for turning. How one person elected by 80000 people can f*** up a country in 2 weeks. I despair. I fear for my children and the massive increases in mortgage repayments that are in the pipeline. Do people like Truss live in the real world?
 
OP
raefil

raefil

Dolly Patron
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When has Kwarteng opposed diversity policies, constant defence of antisemitic sentiment, and now of an MP with history, and justifying that by your hatred of tories because they are all the same, can we assume that you also concede that all labour supporters/socialist similarly hold your views and how do you think that is going to persuade disaffected labour supporters to return to a party that would implement your interpretations of racial diversity that it only be available to those that fit your warped perception racial integrity.
You implied he was, quite strongly, in fairness.
 

Liberation

Forum Patron
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This might have been mentioned earlier but, if it has, it bears repetition.


Unsure where this subject fits in but I've said it before and I'll say it again.... Manifestos should be delivered under oath..It's an absolute disgrace how parties get into power based on " promises " and then renege as soon as us stupid idiots ( voters ) hand them that power and are then stuck with them for years... . Our political system is the biggest load of corrupt shite imaginable.Hans Christian Andersen might as well have produced our constitution...

" Mother of all parliaments and democracy " my big fat arse. :sick:

End of rant..:)
 

Took My Heart

Forum Patron
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Unsure where this subject fits in but I've said it before and I'll say it again.... Manifestos should be delivered under oath..It's an absolute disgrace how parties get into power based on " promises " and then renege as soon as us stupid idiots ( voters ) hand them that power and are then stuck with them for years... . Our political system is the biggest load of corrupt shite imaginable.Hans Christian Andersen might as well have produced our constitution...

" Mother of all parliaments and democracy " my big fat arse. :sick:

End of rant..:)
Manifestos can never be delivered on oath because in a given four year period lots of things can change. However, the way in which manifesto (or other pledges) are so casually dismissed once someone has the votes is a disgrace. It leads to a perception that, 'all politicians are the same' and leads to disillusionment in politics- which I think suits them well.

We have so little recourse to actually hold them to account - we have a perception of democracy that does not really deliver.

We have no recourse to say, 'Hey truss, kwasi, you're not doing this'. That's wrong whether you voted tory or not
 

Durutti

Advisor to the Owner
I think there needs to be something built into the 'democracy' we are enduring. Whether that be all leadership changes must also be rubber stamped with an election or if independent polls show someone is say, 12 points behind the opposition party.

We can't just have an unelected fuckhead setting fire to the economy and nothing can be done to stop her.
 
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