Uncle Trev.

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The question is interesting but it's a new point. [Thanks for clarifying WW]

The club still owns now what it did in 2010, rather the tangible assets being sold to cover virtually an equivalent amount of debt.

Examples of where it went sour: I recall that Brighton and Portsmouth ended up not owning their grounds. Coventry almost the same situation.
 

pne4ever

First Team
The club DO NOT own Deepdale. PNE have a long-term lease on the land with a condition that it must be used as a football stadium. If it ceases to be a football stadium the lease reverts to the Local Authority.
I thought PNE bought the lease some time ago and now own the site. The condition of the sale was that the site could only be used for sport therefore prohibiting TH or any future owner flogging the site for development.
 

Motion Man

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The lease has still got over 100 years left and is at a nil rent so PNE do effectively own it. As said though it can only used as a football stadium under this lease.
 

WADSH

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The question is interesting but it's a new point. [Thanks for clarifying WW]

The club still owns now what it did in 2010, rather the tangible assets being sold to cover virtually an equivalent amount of debt.

Examples of where it went sour: I recall that Brighton and Portsmouth ended up not owning their grounds. Coventry almost the same situation.
I rather think Coventry FC are tenants of the rugby club.
 

Lambo

Youth Team
This has obviously been done to death and people have different views.
Mine is that I won’t look at Trevor Hemmings as our saviour because many people have put more of their wealth into PNE than he has.
With the training ground shambles and summer recruitment failures I think many people’s opinions of him may be wavering.
He was never going to be a Jack Walker but he needs to speak to the fans and give us an honest update.
And yes.....I would still rather have our situation than others not too far away but that doesn’t make it right.
I have heard from sources in the states that there is interest in the club which involves a five year plan which would
achieve promotion and then have the club put into the fans ownership model. Trevor Hemmings would have to
consider an offer that would attract that kind of investment and let a Barcelona business model be the future and
not rely on a wealthy owner
 

Yoowell

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I have heard from sources in the states that there is interest in the club which involves a five year plan which would
achieve promotion and then have the club put into the fans ownership model. Trevor Hemmings would have to
consider an offer that would attract that kind of investment and let a Barcelona business model be the future and
not rely on a wealthy owner
Someone told me months ago that there was interest from America but no other details.
 
Would not want investment from America ,personally. It may raise money and possibly more of a chance of getting to the PL but if things go wrong we could be discarded like a used toy.
 

epsilon

Reserve
Yoowell, I feel it's worth examining what happens in specific cases. Take Ellis Short at Sunderland.

A billionaire who put about 250m into the club. The money was taken from him so quickly that the club went backwards. Relegated twice.

That money didn't touch the sides.

These are facts. So something more intelligent is required. Clearly.
 

Lambo

Youth Team
Would not want investment from America ,personally. It may raise money and possibly more of a chance of getting to the PL but if things go wrong we could be discarded like a used toy.
Cannot discard the club if purchased under a future date of fan ownership. All the investment would be lost after 5 years when the fans would control the club. Same situation that would exist if Th or family
walked away. If promotion achieved US
investment would be repayed over the 3 years from promotion. What's not to like
with that deal. Any club that operates with the third smallest budget might make it
one year but will not sustain Premier
League status on the long term
 
Don't see how fan ownership could work at Championship level, how would the money be raised to keep us afloat at that level. Portsmouths fan ownership has resurrected their club to some extent but they've still brought in an American investor to try and take it to the next level and even he's only willing to put in 5 million.
We need someone who is willing to lose millions most years , and who manages the financial side sensibly and is in it for the long hall.
Hemmings is a good perfect fit for us,imo.
If we do make it to the PL we don't want to riddled with debts that could cripple us in future years.
Burnleys owners have managed their finances superbly over a number of years, would follow their business model if successful.
 

Lambo

Youth Team
Don't see how fan ownership could work at Championship level, how would the money be raised to keep us afloat at that level. Portsmouths fan ownership has resurrected their club to some extent but they've still brought in an American investor to try and take it to the next level and even he's only willing to put in 5 million.
We need someone who is willing to lose millions most years , and who manages the financial side sensibly and is in it for the long hall.
Hemmings is a good perfect fit for us,imo.
If we do make it to the PL we don't want to riddled with debts that could cripple us in future years.
Burnleys owners have managed their finances superbly over a number of years, would follow their business model if successful.
Don't see how fan ownership could work at Championship level, how would the money be raised to keep us afloat at that level. Portsmouths fan ownership has resurrected their club to some extent but they've still brought in an American investor to try and take it to the next level and even he's only willing to put in 5 million.
We need someone who is willing to lose millions most years , and who manages the financial side sensibly and is in it for the long hall.
Hemmings is a good perfect fit for us,imo.
If we do make it to the PL we don't want to riddled with debts that could cripple us in future years.
Burnleys owners have managed their finances superbly over a number of years, would follow their business model if successful.
Club would not be under fan ownership in the Championship, only when promotion
achieved and settled would the initial investment be paid back over three years
when the club would receive TV payments and Parachute in worse case.

Burnley been a yo-yo for fifty years, grab some millions back down.
North End fifty years with TH no top league status, he pays more in
Vets, Stable costs and Oats than the football gets.

If fans happy with that they'll never see success.
 
Club would not be under fan ownership in the Championship, only when promotion
achieved and settled would the initial investment be paid back over three years
when the club would receive TV payments and Parachute in worse case.

Burnley been a yo-yo for fifty years, grab some millions back down.
North End fifty years with TH no top league status, he pays more in
Vets, Stable costs and Oats than the football gets.

If fans happy with that they'll never see success.
What sense does it make for someone to buy PNE for X, invest Y in the club to get promotion and then once they gey X+Y back to give the investment to the fans?

If something like this were to happen, the investors would want a significant return on their investment.

Putting the club in control of the fans would be an interesting experiment.

You would need an extremely good management team and a structure that didn't allow the fans to sack them every time things were going badly.

Bournemouth are another example of how to run a club well. Although it cost them a fortune (£38million in their promotion season) to get into the Premier League.
 
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