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What a tragedy.


Respect Nature
Apr 11, 2004


At least 129 people died and 180 were injured after violence and a stampede erupted following an Indonesian league football match, police have said.

Supporters of the Javanese clubs and longtime rivals Arema and Persebaya Surabaya clashed after Arema were defeated 3-2 at the match in Malang Regency, East Java.

Supporters from the losing side invaded the pitch and authorities fired tear gas, leading to a crowd stampede and cases of suffocation, said East Java’s police chief, Nico Afinta.
Don't know much about Indonesia and even less about Java, although it seems that Java is to Indonesia what England is the the UK and Subrabya is Java's second city, effectively their version of Birmingham. Although the way the fans of these two clubs style themselves it's more like a Millwall v West Ham derby.

Subrabya is predominantly Muslim but has a Christian minority which is split between Protestant and Catholic, although the Christian minority is larger here than in Indonesia as a whole. It seems that the matches between the two sides often see trouble but not sure if the rivalry is sectarian based or simply two clubs from different parts of the city.

What does seem to be the case is that Indonesians like football and also copy fan culture from Europe. However, the authorities either are unable to learn from Europe on how to manage football crowds or the funds aren't available to manage it correctly.