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Better off relegated?

StayathomeFan said:
I was talking to a couple of Leeds fans not so long ago, and they both said they prefered watching games in the Championship where their team could compete rather than being in the prem and getting whipped week in week out, Valid points which i can understand.
They said it was a much more enjoyable experience with a betetr atmospeher seeing their team often win and be able to compete.
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My mate is a Leeds fan. Said he hates the prem because of VAR. however I would love to get there even for a season just because it would set us up financially.

When you look at clubs like Burnley and Ipswich who are spending close to 100 million in a transfer window. It’s just a different level of spending compared to our ‘anything over 2 million and Craig gets a nose bleed.’
 
StayathomeFan said:
Serious Question - would we be better off releggated from a financial point of view.?
Its fact we lose millions every season and Hemmings keep us a float but would the loses be less in L1

  • Crowds would drop but not by much and I think the ticket prices would stay the same, so for me no major drop in revenue
  • Salaries of staff would be substantailly lower
  • TV revenue much lower
  • lower sponshorship money
  • lower match day costs
I dont know the numbers here, but I strongly expect that due to the drop in salaries, being in L would mean reduced annual loses.

Discuss?
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Relegation would-be disastrous, you say crowds would drop but not by much and season ticket prices to say the same.
I think you would find that season ticket sales would hit a low not seen for 10 or 15 years.
Walk on support would also reduce massively, the great pull of Cambridge Stevenage, Crawley and Exeter, would mean fans finding better things to do with their hard earned cash.
The huge away followings these teams would bring, a few hundred at most effecting attendances and match day revenue, fans shouts echoing around a near empty Deepdale.
The powers that be in the IOM would reduce the budget hugely,yes we would lose OoC players only to be replaced by lower league freebies, there would be no investment into our club with all other revenue streams also reducing.
Relegation would be an unmitigated disaster and the club would just spiral into free fall with relegation into League two more of a possibility than any return to the championship.😡☹️😡☹️
 
Wisemen say said:
Relegation would-be disastrous, you say crowds would drop but not by much and season ticket prices to say the same.
I think you would find that season ticket sales would hit a low not seen for 10 or 15 years.
Walk on support would also reduce massively, the great pull of Cambridge Stevenage, Crawley and Exeter, would mean fans finding better things to do with their hard earned cash.
The huge away followings these teams would bring, a few hundred at most effecting attendances and match day revenue, fans shouts echoing around a near empty Deepdale.
The powers that be in the IOM would reduce the budget hugely,yes we would lose OoC players only to be replaced by lower league freebies, there would be no investment into our club with all other revenue streams also reducing.
Relegation would be an unmitigated disaster and the club would just spiral into free fall with relegation into League two more of a possibility than any return to the championship.😡☹️😡☹️
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Yep good post.
I might be wrong but the 'impression' i get is that a lot of the 'lets get relegated and re -set' brigade, do not physically attend very often.
The Match Day experience in the lower Leagues is woeful compared to the Championship, where there are better Players and bigger Crowds , although i guess watching on i follow/on line/listening on the radio, it wouldn't be much different.
Hence the not being as bothered if it happens.
Also to read from some that it would be better to get relegated and win more often - well that might happen - but then again!!!
 
deepdaledreamer said:
Yep good post.
I might be wrong but the 'impression' i get is that a lot of the 'lets get relegated and re -set' brigade, do not physically attend very often.
The Match Day experience in the lower Leagues is woeful compared to the Championship, where there are better Players and bigger Crowds , although i guess watching on i follow/on line/listening on the radio, it wouldn't be much different.
Hence the not being as bothered if it happens.
Also to read from some that it would be better to get relegated and win more often - well that might happen - but then again!!!
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The club needs a reset, and isn't getting one in the Championship as things stand. Relegation is inevitable in the next few years if we continue on our present course, as anyone who has spent any time looking at the accounts, and then observing what's been happening on and off the pitch, will know.

Relegation being inevitable, it's not a case of "let's get relegated" - although the summer transfer window could've fooled me - it's "what do we do when we get relegated". It's important to look for positives.

One thing that would definitely disappear would be the false narrative that we are a well-run, stable Championship club with Prem ambitions. Everyone would finally have to start dealing with the reality, not the sales pitch.

The amount of horror being expressed on this thread by various people that relegation inevitably means oblivion suggests they already know that our actual grasp on Championship status is a very flimsy one, that we're not well-run at all, and in fact we'd struggle badly.

Which points to the need for a reset now - which as things stand, the owners won't be providing. Making relegation inevitable.

And I'm sure plenty of people who attend the games get this just fine, they're not all completely inebriated, plenty of them can see exactly what is going on and what's at stake, as the open letter demonstrates.
 
Wisemen say said:
Relegation would-be disastrous, you say crowds would drop but not by much and season ticket prices to say the same.
I think you would find that season ticket sales would hit a low not seen for 10 or 15 years.
Walk on support would also reduce massively, the great pull of Cambridge Stevenage, Crawley and Exeter, would mean fans finding better things to do with their hard earned cash.
The huge away followings these teams would bring, a few hundred at most effecting attendances and match day revenue, fans shouts echoing around a near empty Deepdale.
The powers that be in the IOM would reduce the budget hugely,yes we would lose OoC players only to be replaced by lower league freebies, there would be no investment into our club with all other revenue streams also reducing.
Relegation would be an unmitigated disaster and the club would just spiral into free fall with relegation into League two more of a possibility than any return to the championship.😡☹️😡☹️
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Although I agree with quite a few of your points I would be ok with relegation if it meant Hemmings sold up and in turn ridsdale left as well. Obviously that’s a big if.

We have a couple of major issues at the moment.
1) quite a few fans seem satisfied with the job the owner is doing. There isn’t much anger in the stands just apathy. Nobody is really being vocal about wanting ridsdale out. And this won’t happen until we are relegated or very close to relegation.
2) ridsdale and co think the job they are doing is a good one. They see staying in the championship each year as a success. By continuing to stay in this division they don’t see any need to change what they are doing. Relegation would ask serious questions and that arrogant preach ridsdale often gives us will be futile.

Do I want us to be relegated? No but I also don’t want us to carry on like we are. Just striving to exist in the championship year after year. It’s boring. If we stay in this division it will be more of the same until the owners get fed up and leave or ridsdale retires/falls ill. Relegation imo is the owner way that change will happen.

Only time will tell but at the moment having a relegation battle is the most exciting season we’ve had in ten years.
 
deepdaledreamer said:
Yep good post.
I might be wrong but the 'impression' i get is that a lot of the 'lets get relegated and re -set' brigade, do not physically attend very often.
The Match Day experience in the lower Leagues is woeful compared to the Championship, where there are better Players and bigger Crowds , although i guess watching on i follow/on line/listening on the radio, it wouldn't be much different.
Hence the not being as bothered if it happens.
Also to read from some that it would be better to get relegated and win more often - well that might happen - but then again!!!
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I'm not sure whether the OP or others who believe relegation would be beneficial,costs would reduce and the club could re-group or "re-set" are regular attendees at Deepdale or not ?
All I know is that the budget,revenue streams, season ticket sales and walk on spectators would also reduce dramatically and probably greater than the cost reduction.
There would be no investment what so over, we would be shopping for players in the bargain basement, back to Irish League cheap signings and any other freebies we could pick up.
Change is needed at Deepdale, I think most supporters can see and agree with that, relegation a disaster in waiting.😡
 
If it got rid of Ridsdale I would consider it. Otherwise its a No, the Club under the current owners and structure would not survive. It took to long last time to come back up.

Realistically, Hemming and Co need to Sell, because they have no interest in the future of the club just its worth in Tax writeoffs and saleability. And Ridsdale needs to retire and get the hell away from Football
 
In reality it would be a complete disaster but there are some quality trips down there now so from a personal point of view I’d tick off a few more grounds 😂
 
HunterLionheart said:
If we want to actually change things on the field, without a massive budgetary overall, League 1 is a much easier level for young players to develop.

If there is any hope of overhauling the squad and trying to develop actual assets to play and to sell and increase the budget that way, it might not be ideal, but could be a silver lining if we were to go down.

Robinson, DJ, Browne, Brownhill, Hugill all found their feet in the squad at that level. Davies too, albeit out on loan. We certainly don't see that happening at Championship level, and would they have ever had a chance to settle if we had never gone down, or been passed over for 'Championship experience' because of the fear of relegation?
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If they get that good, someone will come-in for them, with TREBLE etc wage offer - and they're gone anyway... meaning, apart from the lump sum the Club gets, they contribute nothing more to the Team. Ever again...
 
noelpne said:
If they get that good, someone will come-in for them, with TREBLE etc wage offer - and they're gone anyway... meaning, apart from the lump sum the Club gets, they contribute nothing more to the Team. Ever again...
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Surely it would be nice to watch players like that again - players other teams are interested in?
 
Thracia said:
Surely it would be nice to watch players like that again - players other teams are interested in?
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I understand that side- and there's the other side of the coin- the ' building a core/the team ' around 4/5 key figures. A tough thing to balance, we know...
 
noelpne said:
I understand that side- and there's the other side of the coin- the ' building a core/the team ' around 4/5 key figures. A tough thing to balance, we know...
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Yeah, I don't think we've had much of a core to speak of since the Big 4 disbanded. And I tend to agree with @HunterLionheart , we're only likely to develop the next Big 4 in L1. In the Championship, post-Big 4, it's now all about us getting by on experience and being unspectacular. More and more teams will overtake us if we stick to that strategy.
 
Warton PNE said:
In reality it would be a complete disaster but there are some quality trips down there now so from a personal point of view I’d tick off a few more grounds 😂
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Nope for me I would give up. Been there, done that enough times. I have way more time behind me than in front of me, I wouldn’t be prepared to waste anymore time after the amount they have already had. They can stuff it, seen it all before.
 
SwissToni said:
It is a serious question, and worthy of discussion.

The answer is an equally serious NO.
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I would've said NO in capitals two years ago, not now. This question was sort of being asked when Lowe had a team with Troy Parrott as CF and Woodburn as number 10 a few points off the play offs in first half of 2022.

However the situation is now even worse with ridiculous squad building. It really is laughable when you see the club hasn't spent anything on the full back area in nearly six years now and it's basically the same backline as in 20/21, four seasons ago.

If team stays up what really changes next season? And the season after. Expecting PH to sign 4-5 amazing players on free transfers and/or young loanees is asking far too much although who knows maybe he'll find those players somehow.

Inevitably then he comes under pressure from the fanbase, it's already happening.
 
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