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Capital punishment

Do you agree with Capital Punishment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 18.5%

  • No

    Votes: 37 45.7%

  • Yes- but only in exceptional circumstances

    Votes: 29 35.8%
  • Total voters
    81
Would it just have been better to put this animal down?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Baby P's mother is RECALLED to prison after just two years

Tracey Connelly was given a life sentence with a minimum of five years in 2009 after covering up her son's barbarous injuries and letting him die in her care at home in Tottenham in 2007.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

raefil

Thread 'Baby P, Killer mum to be released!'

I seriously do wonder about a justice system that sets someone free after less than 5 years for such a horrible and tortuous killing of a very small child!

http://news.sky.com/story/1151792/baby-ps-mother-to-be-released-from-prison
 
Liberation said:
Stabbing 3 kids to death in Southport isn't obvious?.... Mind you the authorities and his mental health will get the blame for that no doubt.

If there's any doubt whatsoever then I wouldn't advocate it. Letby being a good example as mentioned yesterday. Probably guilty but I wouldn't hang her. I'd have hung Brady, Hindley and West though.
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I completely get what you are saying and sort of agree.

But are we saying that Letby should serve the rest of her life in prison because she “ probably “ killed those babies. That’s not how it works. She must be convicted beyond all reasonable doubt. Probably isn’t enough. So if she did do it beyond all reasonable doubt, as the jury decided , should she hang ? And if she did and the jury got it wrong. It’s a legal and moral minefield.
 
chorleythehord said:
I completely get what you are saying and sort of agree.

But are we saying that Letby should serve the rest of her life in prison because she “ probably “ killed those babies. That’s not how it works. She must be convicted beyond all reasonable doubt. Probably isn’t enough. So if she did do it beyond all reasonable doubt, as the jury decided , should she hang ? And if she did and the jury got it wrong. It’s a legal and moral minefield.
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I can't do anything about miscarriages of justice ( which there are many )....I certainly wouldn't advocate the death penalty for Letby unless it was proven on video or something similar so absolutely not ..... That's really not what I'm arguing.

All I'm arguing is that the likes of West, Hindley. Brady etc should have been put down immediately ( there are many more too). ie. Monsters who are caught red handed.......

The " minefield" is already in place and that's jailing people for life based on dodgy evidence, corruption, self preservation and clever barristers etc. I'd be a complete fool to defend that because we both know it happens and probably more than either of us would care to admit.
 
Liberation said:
I can't do anything about miscarriages of justice ( which there are many )....I certainly wouldn't advocate the death penalty for Letby unless it was proven on video or something similar so absolutely not ..... That's really not what I'm arguing.

All I'm arguing is that the likes of West, Hindley. Brady etc should have been put down immediately ( there are many more too). ie. Monsters who are caught red handed.......

The " minefield" is already in place and that's jailing people for life based on dodgy evidence, corruption, self preservation and clever barristers etc. I'd be a complete fool to defend that because we both know it happens and probably more than either of us would care to admit.
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An interesting development in the Letby case (just piggybacking on your comment):

www.theguardian.com

‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors

Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lucy Letby told to write letter admitting 'I am evil' by counsellors

A note scribbled by killer nurse Lucy Letby saying 'I am evil' was written on the advice of a counsellor, it has been claimed.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Still no idea if she is guilty or not, but there are questions that need to be asked by the looks of it.
 
Aren't there cases of people who actually claim, falsely, that they committed the murder?

Under capital punishment, would their self-admission be taken as gospel and they be executed?
 
royribble said:
Sorry to go slightly off topic but, where have you been all this time? More importantly perhaps, why have you returned after so long?

Not judging, just curious.
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I was told this in confidence so please dont repeat it, OK

His Lordship ran off with Mrs Plunge, sadly it didnt work out so now hes back again.

Keep it quiet tho 🙂
 
Lord Edgington said:
What a muppet
Forgot the link
Oliver Campbell's murder conviction overturned after 33 years
Conviction for 1990 murder quashed decades later Oliver Campbell's murder conviction overturned after 33 years
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Yes and there are loads of miscarriages of justice, I could quote tons ( without the ones that have never been overturned) .......... If you'd read the thread through properly you'd realise that not one poster has suggested capital punishment for all murder so your point ( although expected and predicted) is moot I'm afraid.
 
Liberation said:
Yes and there are loads of miscarriages of justice, I could quote tons ( without the ones that have never been overturned) .......... If you'd read the thread through properly you'd realise that not one poster has suggested capital punishment for all murder so your point ( although expected and predicted) is moot I'm afraid.
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I have been able to read through the thread I started with great interest, with some good discussion that followed.
And hopefully food for thought to question our own perspectives and reflect on other opinions
 
Lord Edgington said:
I have been able to read through the thread I started with great interest, with some good discussion that followed.
And hopefully food for thought to question our own perspectives and reflect on other opinions
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Then why use a miscarriage of justice as a means to justify your opinion when everyone accepts it happens and those advocating CP only include it's use as a last resort to the most blatant/obvious and heinous of cases ( the one you used was not)?. Doesn't make sense.
 
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