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Economic migrants or refugees?

thinking about the people smuggler thing logically, it strikes me as being a lot of political and media bullshit and lies blaming organised gangs.
Okay - these are smart enough to travel accross europe and end up in france and then all of a sudden they cough up £3000-£5000 for a ride in a dinghy surely they would buy a dinghy and motor between them and certainly have the nouse to figure this out. 10 of them in a dinghy and it would be around £500 each.
As usual things don't quite add up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-63229010
 
StayathomeFan said:
thinking about the people smuggler thing logically, it strikes me as being a lot of political and media bullshit and lies blaming organised gangs.
Okay - these are smart enough to travel accross europe and end up in france and then all of a sudden they cough up £3000-£5000 for a ride in a dinghy surely they would buy a dinghy and motor between them and certainly have the nouse to figure this out. 10 of them in a dinghy and it would be around £500 each.
As usual things don't quite add up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-63229010
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however, it would add up if you wanted to generate sympathy for the immigrants that have become a victim of evil people smugglers
 
I’m in London today, arrived last night and have experienced the best and worst of multi-cultural society already this morning.

1. Chatting to a chap from Hong Kong called Michael at UCL. Ended up having almost an hour of really interesting conversation with someone extremely interesting and who has definitely enriched the country by bringing his family here.

2. During our chat there was some chap standing in the middle of Tottenham Court Road, barking at the sky. Mostly about how we were all unbelievers and we’d be dying soon. Pointing at random people and telling them they would die by the sword.

Michael arrived here via the normal routes.🤔
 
Mer5eywhite said:
I’m in London today, arrived last night and have experienced the best and worst of multi-cultural society already this morning.

1. Chatting to a chap from Hong Kong called Michael at UCL. Ended up having almost an hour of really interesting conversation with someone extremely interesting and who has definitely enriched the country by bringing his family here.

2. During our chat there was some chap standing in the middle of Tottenham Court Road, barking at the sky. Mostly about how we were all unbelievers and we’d be dying soon. Pointing at random people and telling them they would die by the sword.

Michael arrived here via the normal routes.🤔
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So Michael managed to source the correct documentation from a functioning Government with some form of National Identification scheme. That bit isn’t rocket science is it.

Back to the usual question Suella. If you have no form of National Identification document and no functioning Government that can give you one, what’s the legal route for you to enter this country?
 
jakehake said:
So Michael managed to source the correct documentation from a functioning Government with some form of National Identification scheme. That bit isn’t rocket science is it.

Back to the usual question Suella. If you have no form of National Identification document and no functioning Government that can give you one, what’s the legal route for you to enter this country?
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Let’s face it, if there was a legal route for him; do you really think there’d be a reason for processing the application of the fella barking at the sky and threatening strangers with ‘the sword’?
 
Mer5eywhite said:
Let’s face it, if there was a legal route for him; do you really think there’d be a reason for processing the application of the fella barking at the sky and threatening strangers with ‘the sword’?
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Depends how much need he’d donated to the Tory party
 
jakehake said:
So Michael managed to source the correct documentation from a functioning Government with some form of National Identification scheme. That bit isn’t rocket science is it.

Back to the usual question Suella. If you have no form of National Identification document and no functioning Government that can give you one, what’s the legal route for you to enter this country?
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Maybe there isn't one? Like there isn't an official legal route of selling Class A drugs outside a police station?
 
My sister is in Lanzarote at the moment and apparently 174 refugees turned Up at Arrecife at the weekend in 6 boats. That’s a good 80 miles at what is possibly the shortest route if they took that one. They do turn up in the canaries but not sure if that many have turned up in one go. It’s happening all over the place.
 
northender0602 said:
My sister is in Lanzarote at the moment and apparently 174 refugees turned Up at Arrecife at the weekend in 6 boats. That’s a good 80 miles at what is possibly the shortest route if they took that one. They do turn up in the canaries but not sure if that many have turned up in one go. It’s happening all over the place.
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www.theguardian.com

Record numbers of refugees arrive in Canary Islands by boat

Number of arrivals via world’s deadliest migration route approach 32,000 to break 17-year record
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Genuine question Raefil:

You regularly tell us that crossing the channel in a dinghy instead of using customs like anybody else is not ‘illegal’ and so they are not technically ‘illegal’ immigrants.

I thought I understood your explanation but why does this article refer to illegal entry?

….And then go on to state he was ‘guilty of facilitating a breach of immigration law’?

www.bbc.co.uk

Ibrahima Bah: Dinghy pilot guilty over Channel migrant deaths

Four people drowned when an overcrowded dinghy steered by Ibrahima Bah began to sink on a crossing.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
One day we'll wake up and realise that we have to make the places these folk come from better places to live.
Bombing the crap out of them doesn't work btw.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
Genuine question Raefil:

You regularly tell us that crossing the channel in a dinghy instead of using customs like anybody else is not ‘illegal’ and so they are not technically ‘illegal’ immigrants.

I thought I understood your explanation but why does this article refer to illegal entry?

….And then go on to state he was ‘guilty of facilitating a breach of immigration law’?

www.bbc.co.uk

Ibrahima Bah: Dinghy pilot guilty over Channel migrant deaths

Four people drowned when an overcrowded dinghy steered by Ibrahima Bah began to sink on a crossing.
www.bbc.co.uk
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They can say illegal till the cows come home, under the 1951 convention on refugees, which the UK is signatory to, the moment someone says i seek asylum theyre 100% legal and remain so until we have assesed their claim.

  • There is no such thing as an "illegal" or "bogus" person seeking asylum. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
  • It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.
  • The 1951 Refugee Convention guarantees everybody the right to apply for asylum. It has saved millions of lives. No country has ever withdrawn from it.
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www.refugeecouncil.org.uk

The truth about asylum

You can rely on our facts and figures to get the true picture about the situation—and help spread the truth about asylum.
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk www.refugeecouncil.org.uk
 
raefil said:
They can say illegal till the cows come home, under the 1951 convention on refugees, which the UK is signatory to, the moment someone says i seek asylum theyre 100% legal and remain so until we have assesed their claim.


www.refugeecouncil.org.uk

The truth about asylum

You can rely on our facts and figures to get the true picture about the situation—and help spread the truth about asylum.
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk www.refugeecouncil.org.uk
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Ok
Just a question 👍
Thank you.
 
raefil said:
They can say illegal till the cows come home, under the 1951 convention on refugees, which the UK is signatory to, the moment someone says i seek asylum theyre 100% legal and remain so until we have assesed their claim.


www.refugeecouncil.org.uk

The truth about asylum

You can rely on our facts and figures to get the true picture about the situation—and help spread the truth about asylum.
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk www.refugeecouncil.org.uk
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You can say that until the cows come home, illegal or not, not many EU countries welcome them any more, too much unrest, rioting and disorder.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/rio...w-stones-on-cops-in-netherlands-hague-5080848



https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Immigrants+riot+in+netherlands+you+tube
 
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noelpne said:
1951.
The world has changed since that Idealistic time. Noble words before such massive changes.
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Thats quite possibly true, in fact it is true, its significant, though, that not a single country that is signatory that treaty has since pulled out of it.
 
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