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Economic migrants or refugees?

Mickypne said:
I've said it before. Migration isn't a bad thing, every prosperous country takes advantage of it, it's worked for Asians, Brits , Americans etc etc for years and years. However, the current migration you're seeing now into the UK, America, Canada and Europe is very concerning. So much coming from third world countries with totally different cultures and ideas to us. Many are not here to blend in and contribute. Many are here to get freebies , cause crime, live their shitty lives in a great country.
Every day , they're all men and hardly any women.or children.
Britain is a tint country and it's being flooded with many unwelcome people. It takes weeks for a doctors appointment, there's so much homelessness, you can't get a dentist, it's hard to get a housing.
Then there's fucking Labour , who will call.me a racist for my post. Britain is on its Arse, the Tories failed with migration and now Labour will make it worse. It's.needs controlling. There's thousands who've arrived who need sending back.
The killer from Columbia in Nottingham, won't be deported for mental health reasons and so will now cost the taxpayer hundreds of thousands, how many more like this.
The amount of Peado hunters on social media catching newly arrived migrants from Asia trying to meet 13 year old girls has rocketed. They get arrested , then are back out there 2 days later.
It's a massive shit show this country, I fear for it's decline. We need change, we need a strong government. Starmer is the exact opposite of what this country needs, he's a coward.
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I understand most of your point but you can’t ignore the cutbacks to all services over the last fourteen years! The reason you can’t get dentists, GP appointments, homelessness is by far mainly down to corporate greed. The Tories fleeced this country to the bone. Don’t use immigration as an excuse. As for your comment that ‘labour will make it worse’ how? How the hell can they make it worse????

Your blatant bias is striking!
 
Realistic said:
I don't blame historical immigration, no, but it makes no sense to allow anymore at this time.



That's just capitalism, the free market. I don't agree with allowing it free rein, though. Some things are better in the public sector and always will be.



The massive 2008 financial crash, Covid, Energy price and Ukraine have made it impossible (under the free market) not to cut. We'd only just paid
off the massive debt from the second world war fairly recently and then all of a sudden we're back to the relative debt levels (% wise) of 1946/7. National debt is now = 100% of gross domestic product and services for the year = same as 1947



Well, that's something that I haven't paid much attention to, tbh. If that is the case then it needs to be stopped
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You seem to have missed the bit where the last government gave billions to their mates.

All the problems above could be solved with them missing billions. The Tories stole the future of all the services in this country.
 
Nobber said:
I understand most of your point but you can’t ignore the cutbacks to all services over the last fourteen years! The reason you can’t get dentists, GP appointments, homelessness is by far mainly down to corporate greed. The Tories fleeced this country to the bone. Don’t use immigration as an excuse. As for your comment that ‘labour will make it worse’ how? How the hell can they make it worse????

Your blatant bias is striking!
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I did slate the Tories as well however , yes, I didn't take into consideration the cutbacks from them that also has a massive affect. So cutbacks and a nation with too many people in it, it's a fucking disaster.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
We could either tackle the issues or continue with mealy mouthed excuses and calling everybody racist and keep seeing more of this…

www.bbc.co.uk

Austria's far-right Freedom Party eyes unprecedented election win

Sunday's election could see Herbert Kickl's party top the polls for the first time.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Or we could always continue to cheerlead the far rights hatred of Muslims, in the same way that many in the world bought into the hatred of judaism. History shows us exactly how that worked out.

Perhaps cheerlead isnt the right word but the fact that so many are saying its understandable is truly abysmal.
 
Nobber said:
You seem to have missed the bit where the last government gave billions to their mates.

All the problems above could be solved with them missing billions. The Tories stole the future of all the services in this country.
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but theyve got a nice convenient excuse and its working.
 
raefil said:
but theyve got a nice convenient excuse and its working.
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Plenty of easily conned stupid people for them to prey on.
There was a cretin on the bus this morning loudly talking about how "they come here, and they're given a brand new phone and a nice house, but there's loads of homeless English people getting nothing"
I could almost hear farages twatty voice.
 
raefil said:
Or we could always continue to cheerlead the far rights hatred of Muslims, in the same way that many in the world bought into the hatred of judaism. History shows us exactly how that worked out.

Perhaps cheerlead isnt the right word but the fact that so many are saying its understandable is truly abysmal.
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You’re missing the point.

And if we’re going to have a competition about the most demonised group in society then I think white working class (especially men) will run any other very close.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
You’re missing the point.

And if we’re going to have a competition about the most demonised group in society then I think white working class (especially men) will run any other very close.
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Im absolutely not missing the point.

And if you think that me, as a white working class person suffers anywhere near what the people in Gaza are suffering (You can add many other muslim nations to that) then you really need to get a grip.

I cant think of a single thing happening in this country that would make me want to risk mine and more so my families life to get in a dinghy and cross very dangerous seas to attempt to make life better. And, if I did make it, be accused of being there to rape women and even slaughter people.


Apparently, according to yourself, a reasonable assumption.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
You’re missing the point.

And if we’re going to have a competition about the most demonised group in society then I think white working class (especially men) will run any other very close.
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White working class men are persecuted similar to Muslim women.

Great logic that.

Actually no, no it’s not, your comment is ridiculous!
 
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Nobber said:
White working class men are persecuted similar to Muslim women.

Great logic that.

Actually no, no it’s not, your comment is ridiculous!
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i didn’t say that anywhere.

I commented alongside a link to an article, as I have variously, that unless we listened to people with sincerely held concerns then the far right would continue to gain ground.

In response, Raef alluded to dislike of Muslims and the rhetoric associated being akin to the nazi hatred of the Jews. He was right in many ways but I don’t feel that it really addressed my point; in fact ignoring my point did, I think, go some considerable way towards reinforcing it.

I simply stated that if he wished to mention groups who are casually demonised in the U.K. then white working class would give anyone a run for their money.

Not sure why you’re mentioning Muslim women, as I certainly wasn’t. I would imagine much of their persecution eg Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc comes from other Muslims.


Anyway back on topic… I don’t normally quote Owen as I think he’s afforded journalistic status beyond his intellect, however he was right about this…

Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class by Owen Jones – review | Society books | The Guardian

<p>Will the working class ever get a fair hearing, Lynsey Hanley wonders</p>
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
 
Mer5eywhite said:
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i didn’t say that anywhere.

I commented alongside a link to an article, as I have variously, that unless we listened to people with sincerely held concerns then the far right would continue to gain ground.

In response, Raef alluded to dislike of Muslims and the rhetoric associated being akin to the nazi hatred of the Jews. He was right in many ways but I don’t feel that it really addressed my point; in fact ignoring my point did, I think, go some considerable way towards reinforcing it.

I simply stated that if he wished to mention groups who are casually demonised in the U.K. then white working class would give anyone a run for their money.

Not sure why you’re mentioning Muslim women, as I certainly wasn’t. I would imagine much of their persecution eg Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc comes from other Muslims.


Anyway back on topic… I don’t normally quote Owen as I think he’s afforded journalistic status beyond his intellect, however he was right about this…

Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class by Owen Jones – review | Society books | The Guardian

<p>Will the working class ever get a fair hearing, Lynsey Hanley wonders</p>
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
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So he's wrong when he offends you, like Diane?
 
raefil said:
So he's wrong when he offends you, like Diane?
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That’s not how it works.

I don’t have to agree with everything a person says, nor do I have to completely endorse an ideology. I can choose the bits I agree with.

It’s quite liberating. You should try it.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
That’s not how it works.

I don’t have to agree with everything a person says, nor do I have to completely endorse an ideology. I can choose the bits I agree with.

It’s quite liberating. You should try it.
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Oh its something i do regularly.

What Ive discovered is that those who thrive on giving out fake news tend to draw the gullible in by dropping in a genuine truth, occasionally.

I dont, like with Diane, always agree with Owen but the difference is just opinion, not because they make a deliberate attempt to mislead people.

Once you realise that you tend to smile and ignore the charlatans.
 
raefil said:
Oh its something i do regularly.

What Ive discovered is that those who thrive on giving out fake news tend to draw the gullible in by dropping in a genuine truth, occasionally.

I dont, like with Diane, always agree with Owen but the difference is just opinion, not because they make a deliberate attempt to mislead people.

Once you realise that you tend to smile and ignore the charlatans.
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The rise of the right isn’t fake news.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
The rise of the right isn’t fake news.
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No it certainly isnt, we only need look at how far right the present Tory party has moved and their sibling, reform, even further that part isnt fake news the question should be is how much fake news has led to the rise?
 
raefil said:
No it certainly isnt, we only need look at how far right the present Tory party has moved and their sibling, reform, even further that part isnt fake news the question should be is how much fake news has led to the rise?
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A far bigger contribution to the rise is an unprecedented uptick in immigration, coupled with a provincial populace who feel scorned and. ignored by a comfortable metropolitan set.

I’m actually quite proud that the far right are relatively unsuccessful in England when compared with Europe. Given the regional wealth disparity, it’s quite remarkable.
 
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