Fracking

sliper said:
I have family living in the area and go past the site regularly.. a lot of folks in that area have worked hard to create a different view of the Flyde and fracking has created the impression that the whole area is polluted, industrialised and run down when actually it has a lot going for it. And yes I say that as a born and bred a Prestonian.
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Are they happy about the fracking though? Do they think it’s a good idea if you strip away the impression it has created?
 
northender0602 said:
Are they happy about the fracking though? Do they think it’s a good idea if you strip away the impression it has created?
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I think most went into it with an open mind.. Hoping it would create jobs. But the overturning of the County Councils decision started to turn them against it and the last quake which was heard and felt widely turned the majority against.

There were expert warnings that the geology wasn't suitable right from the start, not least from a fracking geologist in the US.
 
sliper said:
Evidence.. they start fracking at Preston New Rd and then a series of tremors happen in that area. Culminating with a 2.9 that was heard as a loud bang across a wide area and rattled windows and shock property from Warton to Cleveleys. It would be an extraordinary co incidence that tremors just happen to be in the area and at the same time as the fracking.. If that isn't evidence I'm not sure what is ?

With a wave of public anger in the area... The Tory MP for the Fylde has come out against PNR fracking and as we know Boris wants to keep and increase his MP's in the north.. so fracking gets banned (for now)

Plenty of the opposition aren't greenies.. not least the residents of some posh houses near the site who seen their properties become unsellable.
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2.9 is the type of magnitude what you get when normal type Earth Tremors occur, unpleasant yes, destructive no

IF that was on a regular basis I would support and expect Government action, but I say again where is the evidence that that has occurred in other Countries that have fracking
Also to the poster who joked we have had 'no black outs' recently, yes that is true, but the Energy Industry HAVE waned they is very little slack in the Generating capacity of Power and 'the Green brigade' are against ANY fossil fuel (so Gas and Oil will be their next targets)

I see Labour intends to 'go big' on House Heating Convervation, more Insulation, well if that is applied to New Housing all well and good, but to think you can apply it to all existing housing, and has He said on TV today, to have it Unionised, is quite frankly more of his economic illiteracy, It would take Decades to happen, most of us will be long dead by then
 
John T said:
Leaving aside the Politics of this

I would like to know the Actual Evidence that Fracking does create Earth quakes, at least on the Scale likely to cause damage to Houses and other Buildings

It seems fracking is OK in some Parts of the World, and in Countries that have a far bigger compensation Culture than Ours if things go wrong
Certainly if the actual Evidence is it DOES, then Fracking should be banned in any type of residential area
I can't help thinking though at least some of the people who are the most opposed are The Greens and other Climate change people
And for me they have YET to explain how we go about our Normal Lives when for instance the Wind and Turbines stop
Also quite a lot of people are not very happy about being near Wind Turbines of Solar Glass farms either

We had perfectly good supplies of Coal to last us many years, and surely Powers stations could have been made much cleaner for the environment given the advances made in every other areas
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John.... Even cuadrilla have admitted that the tremours are far worse than they predicted and well above the acceptable levels that they agreed to ... How much evidence do you want?
 
John T said:
2.9 is the type of magnitude what you get when normal type Earth Tremors occur, unpleasant yes, destructive no

IF that was on a regular basis I would support and expect Government action, but I say again where is the evidence that that has occurred in other Countries that have fracking
Also to the poster who joked we have had 'no black outs' recently, yes that is true, but the Energy Industry HAVE waned they is very little slack in the Generating capacity of Power and 'the Green brigade' are against ANY fossil fuel (so Gas and Oil will be their next targets)

I see Labour intends to 'go big' on House Heating Convervation, more Insulation, well if that is applied to New Housing all well and good, but to think you can apply it to all existing housing, and has He said on TV today, to have it Unionised, is quite frankly more of his economic illiteracy, It would take Decades to happen, most of us will be long dead by then
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Netherlands recently banned fracking because of a succession of earthquakes which damaged properties.
 
John T said:
Leaving aside the Politics of this

I would like to know the Actual Evidence that Fracking does create Earth quakes, at least on the Scale likely to cause damage to Houses and other Buildings

It seems fracking is OK in some Parts of the World, and in Countries that have a far bigger compensation Culture than Ours if things go wrong
Certainly if the actual Evidence is it DOES, then Fracking should be banned in any type of residential area
I can't help thinking though at least some of the people who are the most opposed are The Greens and other Climate change people
And for me they have YET to explain how we go about our Normal Lives when for instance the Wind and Turbines stop
Also quite a lot of people are not very happy about being near Wind Turbines of Solar Glass farms either

We had perfectly good supplies of Coal to last us many years, and surely Powers stations could have been made much cleaner for the environment given the advances made in every other areas
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As you seem to have difficulty with the bleeding obvious, how about you buying a bargain house on the side of Mount Etna. Im sure you’d have no difficulty discounting any association of the molten lava and smoke with the volcano.
 
portisheadpete said:
As you seem to have difficulty with the bleeding obvious, how about you buying a bargain house on the side of Mount Etna. Im sure you’d have no difficulty discounting any association of the molten lava and smoke with the volcano.
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At least I woudn't have any problems with Heating
That's a joke by the way
LoL
 
Liberation said:
John.... Even cuadrilla have admitted that the tremours are far worse than they predicted and well above the acceptable levels that they agreed to ... How much evidence do you want?
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Until a picture drops off his wall and his lights go out John T is perfectly happy choking to death on his coal fired power station as it never did his Dad any harm and he lived to the ripe old age of 47
 
jakehake said:
Until a picture drops off his wall and his lights go out John T is perfectly happy choking to death on his coal fired power station as it never did his Dad any harm and he lived to the ripe old age of 47
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NO he died aged 75

So you could say by the law of genes and all that, I am very nearly living on borrowed time
No doubt that will please some on here
 
John T said:
NO he died aged 75

So you could say by the law of genes and all that, I am very nearly living on borrowed time
No doubt that will please some on here
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There may be many things Id wish on you, death isnt one of them.
 
raefil said:
There may be many things Id wish on you, death isnt one of them.
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Oh thank you raefil
That's the nicest (perhaps the only) kind word you have had for me
Have a word with friend Paddy please
I seem to have upset him no end
 
John T said:
Leaving aside the Politics of this

I would like to know the Actual Evidence that Fracking does create Earth quakes, at least on the Scale likely to cause damage to Houses and other Buildings

It seems fracking is OK in some Parts of the World, and in Countries that have a far bigger compensation Culture than Ours if things go wrong
Certainly if the actual Evidence is it DOES, then Fracking should be banned in any type of residential area
I can't help thinking though at least some of the people who are the most opposed are The Greens and other Climate change people
And for me they have YET to explain how we go about our Normal Lives when for instance the Wind and Turbines stop
Also quite a lot of people are not very happy about being near Wind Turbines of Solar Glass farms either

We had perfectly good supplies of Coal to last us many years, and surely Powers stations could have been made much cleaner for the environment given the advances made in every other areas
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Just read this again for another chuckle.

Good on you John for welcoming all the hazards and pollution of fracking to the region in addition to all the Sprinfields nuclear contamination we've already got along the Ribble.

You're so trusting of the Establishment. Old school? Surely there's nothing they'd conceal from us is there?
BELIEVE THEM JOHN, IT'S ALL TRUE ?

Has Boris announced the end of the temporary fracking ban yet ?
 
MJB said:
The hyperbole and scaremongering around this heavily regulated industry is pathetic. I’ve seen a million times worse in many industries that get a free pass than I have in this industry.
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You seem to have experience in this field so what are your thoughts on the dangers to human health eg via contaminated water supplies from the use of the toxic mix of chemicals used in fracking?

Am I correct in saying that arsenic, benzene, formaldehyde, lead and mercury are among over 200 toxins found in fracking fluids and wastewater, all of which pose serious human health risks?

If this is the case I can understand the objections from residents in fracking regions like Lancashire.
 
Anyone remember the election stunt by the Tories in November - placing a moratorium on fracking. Implying they were putting a halt to it in order to protect their vote?

Today the Business Minister Kwasi Kwarteng, in answer to a Parliamentary question from fellow Tory MP Alex Stafford, admitted that exploratory drilling and other fracking-related activities weren’t covered by the ban.

Well, who’d have thought eh?
 
Be interesting this.. Say we Do have massive amounts of untapped resources under our feet it would be folly not to use it, having said that, it really needs checking again prior to drilling commencing...
 
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