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Heckingbottom - Honeymoon Over?

Garden Gnome said:
I think we have seen enough so far to expect more entertaining and ultimately, as long as we give him a couple of years not months, more successful football under PH than under the previous management.
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I respectfully disagree, simply because Craig promised us 2 years ago that the owners would deliver all that by now, and they have failed completely.

In another 2 years, they will have failed completely again, and we'll be told to be patient again, while a different manager takes another 2 years to "turn round" the squad.
 
Flaxby White said:
How many transfer windows have we, the paying public pleaded for a LB/LWB. We "tried" counts for sfa for me.
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Our last permanent LWB signing was Cunningham. The last time we paid a fee for one was Andrew hughes in 2018. Our recruitment is that shit that instead of actually looking for another LWB tk challenge hughes we just signed Cunningham again on a free transfer.

Don’t even get me started on the right side.
 
Our list of possible recruits IN EVERY POSITION should be under constant revision and review so should the need arrive then approaches can be made in the next available window....but that involves long term planning and that is not something this club is known for.
 
Damp Squib said:
Blaming the manager at this stage plays directly in to the hands of the Fat Controller. Nothing quite like making the manager the scapegoat to ensure another year of £400k plus expenses for Petey.

Yes the manager has made some questionable decisions. Yes he has picked some players regardless of current form. Yes some of the football has been dire. But this isn’t his squad, and Peter decides whether he single-handedly assembled it or if it was a committee decision depending on how well the season is going at that moment in time.

Get that odious cretin out of the club and then maybe Hecky won’t have one hand tied behind his back.
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Agreed.....That slimey twat Lowe knew exactly when to run to the hills.....
 
Looking at the table the points return so far is a disgrace, previous incumbents would've been in the stocks already. There has to be some level of responsibility held for this shitshow as well as those above him. He was the supposedly safe/best option that would achieve another year of midtable mediocrity that we were all desperately crying out for... Fat load of good that's doing for us.
 
Longshanks said:
Looking at the table the points return so far is a disgrace, previous incumbents would've been in the stocks already. There has to be some level of responsibility held for this shitshow as well as those above him. He was the supposedly safe/best option that would achieve another year of midtable mediocrity that we were all desperately crying out for... Fat load of good that's doing for us.
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1.13 points per game, would average 52 over 46 games. Horrendous. However this would see any side safe in the majority of championship seasons.
 
Longshanks said:
Looking at the table the points return so far is a disgrace, previous incumbents would've been in the stocks already. There has to be some level of responsibility held for this shitshow as well as those above him. He was the supposedly safe/best option that would achieve another year of midtable mediocrity that we were all desperately crying out for... Fat load of good that's doing for us.
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It was always going to be a battle to avoid relegation after the summer we had
 
Longshanks said:
Looking at the table the points return so far is a disgrace, previous incumbents would've been in the stocks already. There has to be some level of responsibility held for this shitshow as well as those above him. He was the supposedly safe/best option that would achieve another year of midtable mediocrity that we were all desperately crying out for... Fat load of good that's doing for us.
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Pssst............. Look for the common denominator
 
Longshanks said:
Looking at the table the points return so far is a disgrace, previous incumbents would've been in the stocks already. There has to be some level of responsibility held for this shitshow as well as those above him. He was the supposedly safe/best option that would achieve another year of midtable mediocrity that we were all desperately crying out for... Fat load of good that's doing for us.
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You’re ignoring the fact Lowe voluntarily ran for the hills because even he saw the writing on the wall. His record towards the end was embarrassingly poor. He got a lot of shit because he was 1. a shit manager and 2. a gobshite.

Hecky gets more time because he isn’t a gobshite.
 
Been really disappointing starting selections in the last month.

Tonight was a winnable game, even more so once we saw how Stoke actually played yet content with 0-0 until a bit more urgency with twenty left and two upfront.

Not going to win much with these starting 11s so need to be far more positive like when he first came in.
 
I was hoping for a bit more but I’m willing to give him time. He has no preseason so unsure how fit the lads really are. Wasn’t his fault for wasting our only budget on a player who doesn’t look any good, for losing our only decent left sided player (who himself has been shit the last few seasons) resulting in our best player now needing to play out of position which hampers our attack.

Add to that Osmajic getting himself banned for 8 games at the same time Keane is injured and Riis missed several chances over games which would have picked up more points and had us in our usual midtable position.

We don’t win the shit games, where we turn up for periods but then get beat (stuffed) when we decide to leave our bollocks on the bus.

We will never pull ourself away from the bottom 3 as everyone has a win or a stuffing in them and come the last 10 games it will be who can scrap enough points. I am just hoping we have a bit more experience when it matters over the likes of Portsmouth, Plymouth, Oxford etc. as I’m concerned the others will have more spending ability than us come Jan
 
Did anyone expect anything different to what we're seeing? We wanted a proven Championship manager, no thrills, safe pair of hands, etc etc. That's what we have.
I'd have personally been brave and gone for Barry-Murphy, the majority saw that as a risk, whereas it lit my imagination. When you've been watching North End for so many years, something a little different is welcomed on my part. What we have now is same old, same old.
That said, Hecky gets my backing because he's in the job, and you'll hear no boos from me.
 
Mooney magic said:
Did anyone expect anything different to what we're seeing? We wanted a proven Championship manager, no thrills, safe pair of hands, etc etc. That's what we have.
I'd have personally been brave and gone for Barry-Murphy, the majority saw that as a risk, whereas it lit my imagination. When you've been watching North End for so many years, something a little different is welcomed on my part. What we have now is same old, same old.
That said, Hecky gets my backing because he's in the job, and you'll hear no boos from me.
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Yep - he does exactly what it said on the tin.

As a sidenote, we should remember PH wasn't really the majority choice on here. The original poll had him in second place when we learned he was getting the job, then the poll was effectively re-run to allow people to switch sides to the known winner, basically as some sort of PR exercise to make it look like he was our #1 choice all along, in case he dropped by and had a look or something!

But now that he's here, doing exactly what he was expected to do - no thrills, no fuss, safe pair of hands, steady the ship, etc. - he certainly isn't the problem. He has inherited the problem.
 
SoccerHQ said:
Been really disappointing starting selections in the last month.

Tonight was a winnable game, even more so once we saw how Stoke actually played yet content with 0-0 until a bit more urgency with twenty left and two upfront.

Not going to win much with these starting 11s so need to be far more positive like when he first came in.
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To be fair the Brady and Lindsay injuries have caused problems for the Manager because whoever replaces them causes massive disruption to choices for team selection and their ability to play elsewhere within the team. We simply do not have enough players to cover for injuries it’s as simple as that. We can’t even play our best player (KKH) in his rightful position for goodness sake because the squad is so unbalanced before you even start with poor (in places) it’s threadbare and make do like everything else at the club.
 
Lets not forget Lowe's last 5 games (or was it 6) was 5 (or was it 6) defeats on the bounce playing totally forgettable football, he then decided to jump ship (thank the Lord). Hecky is an infinitely better manager in my opinion and to start slagging him off at this stage when he hasn't even had the benefit of his own transfer window is ridiculously short sighted. Thanks to Ridsdale's years of lazy and utterly incompetent dealings in the transfer market we now find ourselves in a relegation battle, and need to get behind the manager. After all, we know he won't be going anywhere unless of course he decides to walk or is poached by a bigger and more ambitious club than us, which wouldn't surprise me.
 
Joanpne said:
To be fair the Brady and Lindsay injuries have caused problems for the Manager because whoever replaces them causes massive disruption to choices for team selection and their ability to play elsewhere within the team. We simply do not have enough players to cover for injuries it’s as simple as that. We can’t even play our best player (KKH) in his rightful position for goodness sake because the squad is so unbalanced before you even start with poor (in places) it’s threadbare and make do like everything else at the club.
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I actually thought Whatmough was alright last night. He's not an amazing CB by any means but he cut out most throughballs and matched Cannon's runs for most of the game.

I thought the second half could've gone to a back 4 (Hughes LB and KHH RB given Stoke had so little quality when they passed the halfway line).

Also starting all of Whiteman-Ledson-McCann at home to Derby was a terrible call.

I thought the first six weeks were reasonably promising but it seems those four days of throwing away the 3-0 lead at Plymouth and then not even putting out a competitive team v Arsenal has meant huge doses of negativity have inflicted the team once again and PH is not helping with his selections really.

He will have to go defensive v West Brom as they have the quality in final third to expose the backline's deficiencies.
 
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