Is Peter Ridsdale doing a good job? (Poll)

Is Peter Ridsdale doing a good job?

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Thracia said:
Firstly, ChatGPT is no authority on anything, but especially legal matters.

Certainly what the club has published is the maximum they want to get away with disclosing - that is blindingly obvious.

But all it has disclosed is the name of the previous owner, who is now deceased.

PNE fans need to know the identities of the living people who currently own and control their football club. Not the identity of the dead person who used to own it. That should also be blindingly obvious.

And that's what the EFL regulation is all about. It's intended to stop shady owners based in offshore tax havens from hiding an EFL club's ownership in some opaque legal structure.

If a club's owner gets away with the latter, then the regulation is not being adequately implemented or enforced, and fans should call them out on that. As indeed some fans are doing.
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I wonder if it's a case of the irresistible force against the immovable object.

EFL says we must see the individual names. Conway Trust says we're wrapped in legal structure and won't/can't reveal them.

So who prevails?

At the moment it's the club.

And EFL have already said they're satisfied.

Next step?
 
pnewortham said:
I wonder if it's a case of the irresistible force against the immovable object.

EFL says we must see the individual names. Conway Trust says we're wrapped in legal structure and won't/can't reveal them.

So who prevails?

At the moment it's the club.

And EFL have already said they're satisfied.

Next step?
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Next step is ongoing. No need for a running commentary.
 
thebutterpiepodcast said:
Not sure how to add photos on here from an iPhone.

But just been sent a tweet from a lad who has been spot on with the team news recently, which has now been deleted.

That Peter has been given a promotion?
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You have to be a patron to upload direct from your phone

What promotion has he given himself?
 
pnewortham said:
So, depending what question you ask, you can get different answers, but one thing's for sure - ownership of the club by the Conway Trust is complicated, and appears to provide plenty of scope for not revealing the names of the trustees and ultimate owners.

Therefore the statement on our website https://www.pnefc.net/company-details probably (?) represents the limit of whatever legal teeth the EFL have, when it comes to transparency of ownership.
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Just for clarity, my little ChatGPT test was just focused on the regulation provided by the EFL, the text North End have published online, and whether the text complies with the regulation. These things will always be judged by humans at the end of the day and there's always other legal factors in play.

I was just interested to see what it thought because it can be quite good at analysing language and has a better understanding of legal matters than I do (in case there was some legal shenanigans I was missing that was allowing us to comply with the wording provided). As you say, there are probably other factors in play.
 
Bodney Rewes said:
Just for clarity, my little ChatGPT test was just focused on the regulation provided by the EFL, the text North End have published online, and whether the text complies with the regulation. These things will always be judged by humans at the end of the day and there's always other legal factors in play.

I was just interested to see what it thought because it can be quite good at analysing language and has a better understanding of legal matters than I do (in case there was some legal shenanigans I was missing that was allowing us to comply with the wording provided). As you say, there are probably other factors in play.
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Your Q&As were very interesting too. We all know that ChatGPT would never stand up in a court of law or spit out a 'gotcha' banana skin to a well-heeled legal team, but as you say, as a large language model, it can help to collect & organise information, and actually can be incredibly nuanced given the right prompts.

I'd previously analysed the websites of all 24 championship clubs (and have since checked many other L1, L2 and ex-EFL clubs), and ours does appear unique in its lack of transparency, i.e. the only one to not name names. But apart from crying foul I also like to try and work out why this might be.

A great comparison would be another club owned by an IOM trust, but I can't think of many of those.
 

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Disclosure for Isle of Man Trusts​

Regulations require the Trustees to know the identity of the settlor and ultimate beneficiaries of a trust. There is no public register of trusts in the Isle of Man. The ownership of trust assets can therefore remain entirely confidential in most circumstances.

Disclosure to third parties is only required in very limited circumstances and, in certain instances, must be accompanied by a court order. This position was codified in the recent Trust and Trustees Act 2023.
 
Devils advocate, but if the owners decided to promote Ridsdale to something like CEO or COO or something, and then have him as the overall boss of a new Director of Football and Head of Recruitment who signs off their decisions, would people be okay with that?
 
Craig at the meeting:

Hemmings also acknowledged the perception of fans that Ridsdale had too much influence at the club, agreeing that this issue needed to be addressed more clearly to the fanbase. To that end, Hemmings promised that the club would work on communicating its management structure more clearly to ensure fans understand who is responsible for what decisions.​

If the subsequent message coming out of the club is that Ridsdale has now been "promoted", then it's another triumph for the club's communication skills.
 
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