Israel/Palestine

[Regardless]

Not true.





I suspect the government does

Indeed our government already have done.

 

[Doyler]

Perhaps. But I still think the US would have no choice but to muzzle their attack dog. War with Iran means losing Ukraine and possibly even Taiwan. It wouldn't be a stroll in the park like Iraq or Afghanistan, far more like Korea or Vietnam surrounded by unfriendly, unreliable or outright hostile countries and organisations. Iran is a near-peer oponent with hypersonic missiles, some of most sophisticated and mass produced drone warfare in the world, and, perhaps most importantly, the ability to manufacture nuclear warheads at very short notice. I highly doubt the American people have the stomach to deal with the amount of casualties they'd suffer. The Pentagon knows all this, and will reign in Israel before it comes to it.

And as Sepp says, a lot hinges on the Saudis. The last thing they'll want is war with Iran, and with Russia out of the picture indefinitely, OPEC has the West by the short and curlies. Gas prices would grind the global economy to a halt.

I think a lot of this depends on who is in the White House in the next few months.

 

[pnewortham]

yeah I wonder what a Trump presidency might look like here

 

[unconvinced]

yeah I wonder what a Trump presidency might look like here

Ridiculous like the last one, only more so.

 

[Howie]

yeah I wonder what a Trump presidency might look like here

Trump is a coward. The only thing Trump attacked was his own democratically elected Senate. He even struck a deal with the Taliban to pull US troops out of Afghanistan.

 

[Mancunian White]

If Iran, had hit any of the above, we wouldn't still be waiting for Israel's response. They would have responded most likely along with America, almost immediately

These things take time to plan and execute and Iran will be on highest alert. No chance they'd respond immediately and blindly.

 

[Snickiwi]

Trump is a coward. The only thing Trump attacked was his own democratically elected Senate. He even struck a deal with the Taliban to pull US troops out of Afghanistan.

So you’re saying negotiating for peace is a bad thing? How does he win? No new involvement in any wars, agreed a deal to end the hostilities in Afghanistan and he is still the bad guy? Biden fucked up the withdrawal, but the deal was made previously.

 

[Pennyhome]

 

[deany]

Does anyone support the UK using our armed forces and/or facilities to help Israel in the response to what’s happened today?

No.

 

[deany]

The interception rate is not as impressive as they're claiming based on the dozens of videos circulating. Dozens of hits.

And if you believe Israel saying no one hurt, nothing of value destroyed then I have a bridge to sell you. Fuel depots, airbases and military installations including Nevatim have been hit.

Most missiles hit the ground/their targets based on the information I've seen. The targets were, as you say military airbases and other military facilities, not civilians.
The media/political reaction to Israel military attacks (which often kill civilians) compared with the reaction to this Iranian attack is very revealing.

 

[stf4ever]

Does anyone support the UK using our armed forces and/or facilities to help Israel in the response to what’s happened today?

I very much imagine our Cyprus based Typhoons were in the air last night, seeing if there was anything they could intercept.

Not exactly designed for tracking ballistic missiles, mind.

 

[raefil]

Does anyone support the UK using our armed forces and/or facilities to help Israel in the response to what’s happened today?

If we consider Israel to be one of our allies, which we do, just as with Ukraine then Im supposing it is right to militarily support them.

So, another question following on, from that.

As allies of the Palestinian people do Lebanon, Yemen and Iran have the right to use their armed forces or facilities to help Palestine?

We cant agree with one without the other, as i see it.

 

[Mancunian White]

Most missiles hit the ground/their targets based on the information I've seen. The targets were, as you say military airbases and other military facilities, not civilians.
The media/political reaction to Israel military attacks (which often kill civilians) compared with the reaction to this Iranian attack is very revealing.

Absolutely. It's been interesting to see Zionists and their supporters laugh at the Iranians for carrying out strategic bombings of military infrastructure without killing civilians.

 

[Mancunian White]

If we consider Israel to be one of our allies, which we do, just as with Ukraine then Im supposing it is right to militarily support them.

So, another question following on, from that.

As allies of the Palestinian people do Lebanon, Yemen and Iran have the right to use their armed forces or facilities to help Palestine?

We cant agree with one without the other, as i see it.

What you're forgetting as the Iran is a rogue state and their allies are terrorists, meanwhile Israel is an enlighten democracy defending itself, apparently.

And before he makes some snide comment about how this is unironically the truth: fuck off Snicky, you waste of forum bandwidth.

 

[deany]

If we consider Israel to be one of our allies, which we do, just as with Ukraine then Im supposing it is right to militarily support them.

So, another question following on, from that.

As allies of the Palestinian people do Lebanon, Yemen and Iran have the right to use their armed forces or facilities to help Palestine?

We cant agree with one without the other, as i see it.

It's all about a single truth raefil as you know.

'Our' truth.

Anyone doing anything differently that opposes 'our' truth is wrong and is 'our' enemy.

Edit: I see Mancunian White has illustrated it perfectly in the picture above.

 

[stf4ever]

If we consider Israel to be one of our allies, which we do, just as with Ukraine then Im supposing it is right to militarily support them.

So, another question following on, from that.

As allies of the Palestinian people do Lebanon, Yemen and Iran have the right to use their armed forces or facilities to help Palestine?

We cant agree with one without the other, as i see it.

Personally, I'd like to see Iran use the same restraint as ourselves when it comes to determining whether their weapons can be used in retaliatory measures on the country inflicting harm from above.

I have no issue with us deploying weapons, airpower, systems and personnel in the pursuit of defending Israel or Ukraine. I wince at the thought of those things being deployed to attack Russian, Lebanese, Palestinian and Iranian targets.

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What you're forgetting as the Iran is a rogue state and their allies are terrorists, meanwhile Israel is an enlighten democracy defending itself, apparently.

And before he makes some snide comment about how this is unironically the truth: fuck off Snicky, you waste of forum bandwidth.

Remind me what happened after the Iranian revolution? I'd predict that a healthy majority of Iranian citizens would welcome back the Shah's son.

How many Supreme Leaders has Iran had since the revolution and how many Israeli prime ministers?

 

[Liberation]

If anyone believes that this isn't already being carried out without the blessing of the yanks ( maybe the dark ones with all the clout ) then they are naive in the extreme in my view.

 

[stf4ever]

If anyone believes that this isn't already being carried out without the blessing of the yanks ( maybe the dark ones with all the clout ) then they are naive in the extreme in my view.

If you think the Americans didn't go to great lengths to prevent Netanyahu from a response in April then I think you're mistaken.

As Manc White pointed out earlier, this kicking off isn't exactly in the US's best interests right now.

 

[northender0602]

Does anyone support the UK using our armed forces and/or facilities to help Israel in the response to what’s happened today?

No, no way, not ever. The whole world could go up, and people would forget the reason as to why it all came about. It would be killing for killings sake. I don't want to kill anyone and ai don't want anyone to feel the same about us.

 

[Mancunian White]

Remnd me what happened after the Iranian revolution? I'd predict that a healthy majority of Iranian citizens would welcome back the Shah's son.

Which one? The one where we instigated the overthrow of the democratic republic, or the one where the Iranians overthrew their US-backed dictator? I'm sure some do wish for the return of a Shah, just as some Russians wished the Tsar would come back, or how some Chileans think Pinochet would make things better. You "predicting" they're a majority based on nothing but your feelings about Iran is worthless.

How many Supreme Leaders has Iran had since the revolution and how many Israeli prime ministers?

How is this relevant to the morality of Iranian and Israeli foreign policy?