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Confirmed Jeppe Okkels signs

The fee is irrelevant to me. I can't control who costs what or what the club spends. That's their business it's their money. I pretty much ignore fees.
It's a pointless exercise worrying about it. Football finances are dodgy as hell anyway.
The fee can't be irrelevant if you're opining about "profit".

You can't be "pretty much ignoring fees" if you're weighing into a discussion saying "so many on here bang on about us getting players, improving them and then moving them on at a profit and then reinvesting as the model to run the club by. But I just don't think a lot of our fan base have the patience for that to happen".

The fee is front and centre of any such discussion.
 
The fee can't be irrelevant if you're opining about "profit".

You can't be "pretty much ignoring fees" if you're weighing into a discussion saying "so many on here bang on about us getting players, improving them and then moving them on at a profit and then reinvesting as the model to run the club by. But I just don't think a lot of our fan base have the patience for that to happen".

The fee is front and centre of any such discussion.

Yep, that's how I and many think the club SHOULD be run. It isn't though is it. And seemingly won't be as long as P-Riddy is pulling the strings.

Therefore fees are irrelevant to me as things stand.
 
25 years old and the lads moved to a strange country. He's signed for a club, the manager sods off and half the fanbase are wondering why he's here on an inflated purchase price. I'm just hoping he doesn't read any social media.
It's tough upping sticks and working abroad in any profession. Especially one where you get instant feedback from the "customer" as to if you're doing a good job or not.

Peter Ridsdale exclusive on PNE's summer transfer window plan

See above: Ridsdale clearly says we were only signing players 'of a quality who will expect to start'?

Surely there's some due diligence to be done checking the player's character and how he will react to a new country, etc. What if it takes Okkels six months? A year? Never?

Even at 2-0 down and a nightmare first half on Saturday, he didn't get on. Robbie F****** Brady did. Let that sink in. 😨

In that LEP article, Sleepy Pete also says: 'Ryan says what his preferred solutions are. And my job is to see who we can attract.'

So with 'Ryan' gone, why go ahead? Who made the decision? And that's before we even get onto the ridiculous fee the Master Negotiator paid. 😲

The whole thing stinks and I feel sorry for Okkels caught in the middle of it.

On Saturday, only one new player (a loanee) made the starting XI, while two of the club's top five most expensive signings sat on the bench.

At what point do the IoM and Comatose Craig start asking questions?

Because the later they're leaving it, the worse it gets. 😡

#RidsdaleOut
 
Maybe we bang on about it because in the past decade Peter has failed to turn a profit on any player we have spent £500k+ on.

I doubt there is any other championship club with a player trading record like that. There is something seriously wrong with our recruitment.

And I think we all should all by now realise what that something someone is.

No arguments from me there. Absolute agreement. I'm one of the ones who "bangs on" about that way of doing business. Not making any difference though is it.
 
Yep, that's how I and many think the club SHOULD be run. It isn't though is it. And seemingly won't be as long as P-Riddy is pulling the strings.

Therefore fees are irrelevant to me as things stand.
And if fees are irrelevant to you then so are profits - so no need for you to insist everyone must be patient with every player in case there's some profit to be made down the line, because really you don't care about that stuff. You just care about fans being patient, full-stop. That's fine, but don't try and hitch it to a financial aspect that you simultaneously claim is irrelevant, because people will see through that.

The ones on here who do care about fees are also the ones who do care about profits, and do care about Ridsdale's profligacy with both, because they are all inextricably linked - just as the player and the fee we paid for him are inextricably linked. The fee and the player have to be judged together by those people, and "patience" doesn't come into it once the fee becomes a significant proportion of our overall budget, especially if the manager doesn't even seem to want the player. Calls for "patience" at that point start to look like a smokescreen.
 
"I'm still happy to give the lad time.
So many on here bang on about us getting players, improving them and then moving them on at a profit and then reinvesting as the model to run the club by. But I just don't think a lot of our fan base have the patience for that to happen."
And if fees are irrelevant to you then so are profits - so no need for you to insist everyone must be patient with every player in case there's some profit to be made down the line, because really you don't care about that stuff. You just care about fans being patient, full-stop. That's fine, but don't try and hitch it to a financial aspect that you simultaneously claim is irrelevant, because people will see through that.

The ones on here who do care about fees are also the ones who do care about profits, and do care about Ridsdale's profligacy with both, because they are all inextricably linked - just as the player and the fee we paid for him are inextricably linked. The fee and the player have to be judged together by those people, and "patience" doesn't come into it once the fee becomes a significant proportion of our overall budget, especially if the manager doesn't even seem to want the player. Calls for "patience" at that point start to look like a smokescreen.

I don't know how you got to all that from my original post (above) but I enjoyed reading your nice sexy words.
 
I think these discussions about fees and patience are people talking at cross purposes a bit.

We have consensus that quality of the squad is weak or at the very least imbalanced and it's on the hierarchy. I do think the fee is relevant to how fans will judge Okkels and what the club might expect from him and his future fee etc, I don't think it's relevant to how he performs in his time here. We've had expensive flops (Bayliss) and expensive successes (Healy, at least from a playing perspective), cheap flops (Woodburn) and cheap successes (Nugent).

It's worth remembering we live and breathe this club so we know the ins and outs. If I were a footballer and a club that I don't know much about comes along in probably the most prestigious second tier and pays £1m to £2m for me, I'm not looking at that and thinking 'star player'. At this level it's average/below average. If I'm moving to a foreign country, I'm expecting a little leeway to get used to the culture and if I've only played 5 games or whatever it is all of last season and not had preseason with the squad, I'm expecting a little time to get up to match fitness. That's not to say I wouldn't try to hit the ground running, but I'm not expecting to hit my ceiling instantly (although I will try). I would also expect to be wanted around the squad. I wouldn't expect the manager who was around when I was negotiating with the club to bugger off on the day I'm supposed to be signing.

Heck even if I was total crap and a club overpaid for me, that's not on me. If I'm in Okkels' position, the transfer is a no brainer, moving one step below EPL and away from a club that doesn't play me. If it works out, great! If it doesn't, I still might look attractive to a club back home or elsewhere in Europe. If there's a pay rise too, even better (no idea if there is or not).

All the points people are making are valid, but they're valid against Ridsdale. Why spend so much money (for Preston, not a regular Championship club) on a player it wasn't certain we wanted or needed when we are so strapped for cash? Why spend it on someone who, to me, looked like he needed a bedding in period? If he was so integral why not earlier in the window? Why spend it on someone who's only got a brief window to increase their value?

If he flops, I don't totally absolve Okkels of responsibility because effort does count in how I assess a player. E.g. Jeffrey Monaka wasted his career IMO so I hold that against him. I don't hold Andy Procter being crap against him because he was doing his best despite how obviously limited he was, but I do hold it against Westley because the signs were always there Procter wasn't cut out for us. If Okkels isn't playing by the end of the season, he likely holds some accountability too because at his age and with the lack of competition for his position he ought to be playing.

But right now, I don't know enough to write him off as a player. I don't know how match fit he is, if he's settling in ok, if he's got personal issues etc.

Looking at our context of the signing, I get why people expect some success from him instantly. But looking at the man himself I want to afford him a bit of kindness because those aren't expectations he's created. If he leaves a flop, I'm not going to think "why did he fail?", I am going to think "Why did we sign him?", if that's the question in your mind that's a question for Ridsdale, not Okkels.

How do we move forward from here, if I don't want to afford Okkels some leeway that presumes someone else must play. Who in the current team is definitively hit the ground running instead of him? Because right now, it's no one. We're stuck between trying to let someone grow and find consistency or shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic for want of a better phrase
 
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I don't know how you got to all that from my original post (above) but I enjoyed reading your nice sexy words.
From your subsequent posts contradicting each other. I can only write the nice sexy words, I can't make you understand them. 🤷‍♂️
 
This signing stinks. Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Timing too. A club signing who doesn’t fit into how the manager plays. He’s even publicly said so politely today. Shambles this club, time and time again with recruitment, retention and youth development
 
This signing stinks. Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Timing too. A club signing who doesn’t fit into how the manager plays. He’s even publicly said so politely today. Shambles this club, time and time again with recruitment, retention and youth development

I concur. I think Okkels has some skill but that will never be utilized properly in how Heckingbottom likes to do things. He could thrive somewhere else perhaps but just not here.
 


Basically saying he’s a bit crap in possession


And this is why he should've held off on completing the signing, until a new manager had been spoken too.

Hecky says he played and thrived in a counter attacking system, so he would've probably been deployed at LWB under Lowe. So I don't agree with some statements that it's a player we didn't need, but the big issue is you either recruit a manager to continue to play more counter attacking football, or you wait to confirm the signing after speaking with a new manager.

Wouldn't be too surprised to see him as a ST option, as the on the last line of defence option, especially with Osmajic out and Riis out of form, as he may work there as we are playing a 442. Unless he can improve in his overall in possession game, at stick a spot at LM. But if he's gonna have Hughes playing behind him, he'll need a lot of improvement to do it.
 
I do have it in me as a person as and when that patience is afforded with both time and money. When you have neither you need patience with bigger stuff than individual players, we are currently watching the club being run into the ground whilst the advisor plays football manager with our club.

When our Club is in the League position it's in - ( & that's a continuation of the form it had since the middle of last season ) - with the same defensive players still there & regularly playing, people might be expected not to prioritise 'experimentation' over simply buying a proven defender or two. Sod patience in that situation.
 
Fee is irrelevant. The player has nowt to do with that.
25 is still an age we could have improve a player and then move on at a profit if he was good enough.
The model we all want, apparently.
I guess we should set an age and price limit of when we can be patient or not.


He was bought by his previous club for around £700k

A full season and 5 sub appearances later, Peter pays a million pounds more for this clearly unwanted player.

Where is the profit coming from?
 
Is Okkels any different to Bowler attacking / defensive wise on the opposite side?

If it's all "why do we need Okkels", then I'll reply with " why do we need Bowler"?

Because Bowler seems to be getting a Free Pass.
 
Is Okkels any different to Bowler attacking / defensive wise on the opposite side?

If it's all "why do we need Okkels", then I'll reply with " why do we need Bowler"?

Because Bowler seems to be getting a Free Pass.

Bowler, as a dribbler, is more ideally suited to a manger that wants us to maintain possession rather than play on the counter.

Aside from that, we didn't spunk our whole transfer budget on him without a manager to approve the signing.
 
Bowler has been a,major disappointment thus far.

If it's a toss up between himself and Sam as the one loan clause that we do activate as per the terms, it will be Sam imo.
 
Is Okkels any different to Bowler attacking / defensive wise on the opposite side?

If it's all "why do we need Okkels", then I'll reply with " why do we need Bowler"?

Because Bowler seems to be getting a Free Pass.

Genuinely don't know on the first question

I'm not against signing a winger and felt we needed a couple considering we had none before Okkels, but there are notable differences between the signing of Okkels and Bowler. Namely:
1) Okkels signed without a manager in charge.
2) Bowler is a loanee. Okkels is one of our most expensive players of all time.

I understand why we signed Bowler. We needed a winger because the manager plays with wingers. He wanted Bowler. Relatively low risk on a loan. We've seen Bowler perform well in the past. Doesn't mean he's exempt from criticism though because he's not done terribly well these past couple of games. But at worst if he continues in this vein we don't need to sign him (barring a Ridsdale masterclass).

With Okkels and the money spent it's such a financially risky thing to do, particularly when you don't have any idea of how the incoming manager wants to play or if he likes Okkels as a player at all. I don't understand why we signed him. I have no real criticisms of him yet or any praise because I haven't seen enough to judge. If he turns out to be awful, we're stuck with him for the rest of his contract and financially worse off.

Depends how you want to judge it JD. Business decision, totally different IMO. In terms of discussing how they play and what they contribute to a side, I can appreciate holding them to a similar standard because of their theoretically similar role.
 
Bowler has been a,major disappointment thus far.

If it's a toss up between himself and Sam as the one loan clause that we do activate as per the terms, it will be Sam imo.

His output has been poor, but I’m much more willing time to give a player who tries to make things happen when he gets the ball.

I feel like we, as a fan base, whined about not having any wingers in the squad for ages. We sign some, they start slow and suddenly we’re questioning why we needed wingers in the first place.

Bowler has proven he can do it in this league. And if he can re-discover his Blackpool form then there is a lot to be excited aboit
 
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