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School Readiness…

Not at all.

I hate the judgementalism from some.

I also agree that it isnt a teachers responsibility to change nappies.

I feel, that because of financial pressures, its often the case that way too many children are farmed out to nurseries where, with the best will in the world, undertrained staff are left to deal with children in their most formative years. The years when thy most need that most personal contact with parents.

For me way too many are being dropped of 8 in the morning and then not seeing their parents face for at least 8 hours a day. When they do see them, more often than not, the parents are physically exhausted from a day at work also knowing that, aswell as the child, there are so many domestic duties that have to be done.

Of course its the parents responsibility to cater for ALL their childs needs, almost for life but there are now so many external pressures that bear down and put extreme outside pressure on that responsibility.

My own view, yup, old fashioned, is that in those formative years parents shouldnt have to feel the need for both partners to work full time, thats before even starting on the difficulties a single, working, parent suffers.

This aspect is only one a complete complex of supportive needs that a child has in its formative years that, again IMHO, can only be met by actual parental support in the home.


Pretty much bang on here.

We should all be able to live off a single wage, one partner brings in the money, the other rears the child during the day and keeps on top of the housework so that it doesn't become a huge issue in evenings and weekends.

However, society has allowed the cost of living to become ludicrously imbalanced. And for reasons I don't understand, the state provides school from age 4 and up, with maternity leave covering the first few months - yet leaves age 1-4 to be filled with nursery fees that are beyond most people's monthly mortgage costs quite comfortably.
 
A lass I work with (Romanian) is returning to Romania because she can't afford child care here, whereas in Romania it is free.
She'll still work for us remotely from Romania. Also, I read that in Norway, kids don't start school until they are seven. That's seven years, rather than four, of funding childcare costs, I assume?
 
I'm also wondering about the neurodiversity point made on here. Are there more neurodiverse kids or are they now just diagnosed much better now we know more about the various spectrums? I can remember some of the kids from my school would be just described as daft and some naughty, I'm convinced that there were at least three in my primary school who would now be given a lot more help than just being sent to stand in the corridor for disrupting everyone. I think I've gone a bit off piste, but my point is on a lot of things it's hard to compare parental / children's behaviour with how it used to be.

BUT

There are some things that regardless of what else is going on in your life you have a responsibility as a parent to do for your child, instilling a sense of right and wrong is one which though some may not like it, involves discipline and another is nappy training. It's a basic which you even do with a pet dog.

Ironically I guarantee you that a lot of the parents who haven't had time to toilet train, will own a pet dog. Another distraction from the job, although as on my previous post, I sympathize with many - the issue is the Facebook-parents who just use their kids to project themselves - you know one of those when you see one.

On the neurodiversity piece, my own opinion on this (and it just an opinion, not factual!) is that the reason we see it more now is a combination of two things - one you've already mentioned, it is diagnosed better - the other slightly more controversial is that more babies are born now having gone through difficult pregnancies - often premature - the survival rate of premature birth is at an all-time high. My nephew was premature and he is autistic - verbal, but serious enough to need a specialist secondary school, as an example.
 
Ironically I guarantee you that a lot of the parents who haven't had time to toilet train, will own a pet dog. Another distraction from the job, although as on my previous post, I sympathize with many - the issue is the Facebook-parents who just use their kids to project themselves - you know one of those when you see one.

On the neurodiversity piece, my own opinion on this (and it just an opinion, not factual!) is that the reason we see it more now is a combination of two things - one you've already mentioned, it is diagnosed better - the other slightly more controversial is that more babies are born now having gone through difficult pregnancies - often premature - the survival rate of premature birth is at an all-time high. My nephew was premature and he is autistic - verbal, but serious enough to need a specialist secondary school, as an example.
That is very interesting, thanks - seems to be quite a bit of research supporting that view.


You learn something new every day!
 
A lass I work with (Romanian) is returning to Romania because she can't afford child care here, whereas in Romania it is free.
She'll still work for us remotely from Romania. Also, I read that in Norway, kids don't start school until they are seven. That's seven years, rather than four, of funding childcare costs, I assume?

"Barnehege" it's called in Norway, similar to nursery/kindergarten structures and focussed on getting them socialised and interactive etc. State Subsidised and something like £213 a month (K3000) at current rates with discounts for additional siblings. You can pay more to go private if you wish.

If only there'd been a way to create a State Fund for this sort of thing using some national owned resources we had access too
 
Needless to say my opinion differs a little Raef.

If you cannot find the time in 4/5 years to potty train your child then I would call that neglect and possibly even abuse. Yes, 4 and 5 year olds have accidents. Yes, 4 and 5 year olds sometimes still require a nappy overnight because they can’t yet sleep through. However, if you haven’t found time to train them to use a potty/toilet when they are awake then why on Earth are you having kids?

Not taking the time to train your child opens them up to possible psychological problems later in life. It is dereliction of duty as a parent and whilst I can see that there may be some exceptional circumstances which lead to this, there must be a fair number among that 25% who have absolutely no excuse.

It is time we stopped making excuses for people.

Amen.
 
No religion please 😉

Preach John Stamos GIF by Fuller House


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"Barnehege" it's called in Norway, similar to nursery/kindergarten structures and focussed on getting them socialised and interactive etc. State Subsidised and something like £213 a month (K3000) at current rates with discounts for additional siblings. You can pay more to go private if you wish.

If only there'd been a way to create a State Fund for this sort of thing using some national owned resources we had access too

We went to Norway last Christmas, Oslo was full of little kids hopping on & off the metro, up into the mountains with full ski gear on. It was so cute to see, they were just completely independent, no adults around.

It beats maths, any day.
 
We went to Norway last Christmas, Oslo was full of little kids hopping on & off the metro, up into the mountains with full ski gear on. It was so cute to see, they were just completely independent, no adults around.

It beats maths, any day.

Homogenous, small populations lead to high trust and lower crime

Discuss.

Plenty of scholarly articles to go at here.
 
Homogenous, small populations lead to high trust and lower crime

Discuss.

Plenty of scholarly articles to go at here.

interestingly while crime rates, per million people, are considerably lower in Norway the actual fear of crime is much higher in Norway

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Topical today.

Specifically this bit:
One in every 4 pupils not toilet trained when they arrive on their first day at school.

Regular forum users will probably guess my opinion on this but I’m interested to hear other views…


TBF it''s prob a similar stat for fotball fans
 
Homogenous, small populations lead to high trust and lower crime

Discuss.

Plenty of scholarly articles to go at here.

It's certainly true that Norway has a very small ethic minority population. Its very obvious how few black or Asian people you see. Walking about, working in shops, or on the transport system. None at all.

Also no crime (apparently) and no rough sleepers (you'd freeze to death)

Everyone skips around in cable-knit sweaters,, whistling a jaunty tune, with frost clinging to their beards.
 
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Like the post you pasted on here earlier, that is unbelievably good spelling, grammar and punctuation for a “troubled” child 😉

We're from a generation who thought peers only came in North, Central and South variants (well maybe St Annes and Wigan also)
 
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