This corona virus thing...

From the outset it was clear that once all the data was in they would have an idea of risk according to age and vulnerabilities.

People could then have been advised accordingly. For example, a threshold of 60 years old might have been chosen for compulsory vaccination and then aside from those with conditions which made them vulnerable, everyone else could choose.

The hysteria when myself and others shared this opinion was unnerving.

I'm pretty much in your corner in all this ( I wasn't jabbed through choice ) but I'm not fond of that word as I would have been only a year away from 60 at the time and if it had happened I'd have been rather peeved. At the time I really wasn't keen on the general feeling that you were a selfish chunt if you went unjabbed either.

Only the vulnerable should have had the option of free vaccinations in my view ( at whatever age )............ Eg...Personally speaking a few years on and I still don't consider myself " vulnerable " and saw no need for it then or now.
 
That is the problem - it became all or nothing. Hard lockdown or none at all in some people's minds. Even Sweden, cited as a no-lockdown, no measures example did use targeted restrictions and advised people to take certain actions. This needs evidence that an action will work, not because you are copying everyone else. Few had any problems with flattening the curve and targeted actions to reduce the strain on healthcare.

The problem was that this soon became 'Zero Covid' which was never going to work for a long list of reasons (basic biology being one of them). You are right about the inevitability - you can slow the virus down but you can't stop it - the key was always to let it pass through with as little damage as possible - over the long term as well as the short term. Slowing the virus too much can actually be more damaging - such is the counter-intuitive nature of some pandemics.
Zero covid. Reminds me of when I hear them talking about zero carbon....

But that's for another thread 🙂
 
All mine is with hinsight but it really should have been, like the flu jab, aimed at the vulnerable and elderly.

Again its all conjecture and hindsight but i do wonder how different things might have been had we actually had a government rather than Johnson and his cabal.

We'll never know, i guess.

There'd be a lot more money in the treasury now that's for sure.
 
I was always an avid masks user and if I get COVID (I've had it 4 x) I wear a mask say if I need to go to the shop to protect others.The problem always is that unless everyone wears a mask in the family it's a waste of time .Kids don't wear masks at school and as soon as one of them gets the virus especially with the new strains you have virtually no chance of avoiding the virus in the same household.So yea read the research but applying any in real life situations doesn't work in my opinion.
 
That is another debate that has become all-or-nothing - and again, the reality lies somewhere in-between.
It's the pushers of the narrative that are creating these scenarios in my opinion. It's the single truth thing again.
Any questioning of it becomes shut down.

When this happens you will always encourage an all or nothing situation. It certainly encourages me towards the nothing answer.
 
It's the pushers of the narrative that are creating these scenarios in my opinion. It's the single truth thing again.
Any questioning of it becomes shut down.

When this happens you will always encourage an all or nothing situation. It certainly encourages me towards the nothing answer.
Quite often, following the money leads to answers.
 
What exactly is Elon Musk up to, posting this? Surely not just to generate traffic on Twitter.
Whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of the vaccination programmes, this meme is diametrically opposite to a true representation. Absolutely nobody said that Covid would kill huge percentages of the unvaccinated. But what was (and is) said, is that the VACCINATED would be dropping dead in their tens of millions by now. So how come so many vaccinated people are alive?
Honestly not sure of Musk’s motives.

 
What exactly is Elon Musk up to, posting this? Surely not just to generate traffic on Twitter.
Whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of the vaccination programmes, this meme is diametrically opposite to a true representation. Absolutely nobody said that Covid would kill huge percentages of the unvaccinated. But what was (and is) said, is that the VACCINATED would be dropping dead in their tens of millions by now. So how come so many vaccinated people are alive?
Honestly not sure of Musk’s motives.


Are you kidding? One of the straplines they used to encourage people to vaccinate was it prevents death...

I also recall many folk in the media suggesting the unjabbed should be refused medical treatment if they became unwell, since it would be their own fault.

What lovely times we lived through eh!
 
Are you kidding? One of the straplines they used to encourage people to vaccinate was it prevents death...

I also recall many folk in the media suggesting the unjabbed should be refused medical treatment if they became unwell, since it would be their own fault.

What lovely times we lived through eh!
I’m not suggesting, in any way, that undue pressure was not put on people to be vaccinated (because in many quarters, it was). But imo, the messaging was aimed at “don’t kill your elderly relatives (and other vulnerable people)” rather than everyone will die if they don’t get vaccinated. Musk himself openly backed Covid vaccination - unless his tweet from the time has been faked.
I recognise that not every anti vax person said that the vax was a poison that would kill large swathes. Probably not that many… but certainly many do say it very loudly and repeatedly. Musk knows that - and is playing some sort of game.
 
I’m not suggesting, in any way, that undue pressure was not put on people to be vaccinated (because in many quarters, it was). But imo, the messaging was aimed at “don’t kill your elderly relatives (and other vulnerable people)” rather than everyone will die if they don’t get vaccinated. Musk himself openly backed Covid vaccination - unless his tweet from the time has been faked.
I recognise that not every anti vax person said that the vax was a poison that would kill large swathes. Probably not that many… but certainly many do say it very loudly and repeatedly. Musk knows that - and is playing some sort of game.
Indeed, "don't kill Granny" was a big part of the coercion, along with "prevents hospitalisation and death"
People on all sides should never forget how they were manipulated during this time.

As for Musk (like Blair, he's also a twat).
I'm not a fan, but.... he has been questioning the covid jabs since at least 2021 to my memory. This is not the first time he's challenged/criticised them, or at least the tactics used to sell them to the masses.

I've not checked this by the way so feel free to correct me, but I'm 99% certain I recall him being interviewed about them in 21. Think he got jabbed and then got sick, which he blamed on the jab.
 
I’m not suggesting, in any way, that undue pressure was not put on people to be vaccinated (because in many quarters, it was). But imo, the messaging was aimed at “don’t kill your elderly relatives (and other vulnerable people)” rather than everyone will die if they don’t get vaccinated. Musk himself openly backed Covid vaccination - unless his tweet from the time has been faked.
I recognise that not every anti vax person said that the vax was a poison that would kill large swathes. Probably not that many… but certainly many do say it very loudly and repeatedly. Musk knows that - and is playing some sort of game.
He might be the type that likes to lob a grenade when they are bored, then watch the fall out…
 
Maybe the thread title should be changed now times have moved on, maybe to “this COVID thing” ?

Just checking before, I change it that no one has any strong objections, particularly @beagleman who started the thread?

Tbh, I’m amazed it’s still going, I’m quite chilled about it these days, even though I had it a couple of months ago and it really knocked me out. It was early October I caught it, just after the Bristol City game and I don’t think that’s a coincidence! 😂
I’m still not 100% percent but in my 20’s I had a bad dose of flu and that took me ages to fully recover from, at its worse I seriously struggled just to lift my head off the pillow.
 
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I caught it during that Peak Time to catch it - fortunately I was in Good Health & shrugged it off.
However just last November, a couple of days before the Derby County game ( 23/11/24 ) - I got 'hit' by the latest strain of 'Respiratory Syncytial Virus' that's going around, and was much more debilitated than during my Covid-19 illness. Seven weeks later I'm still occasionally coughing goo up from my chest.
 
Maybe the thread title should be changed now times have moved on, maybe to “this COVID thing” ?

Tbh, I’m amazed it’s still going, I’m quite chilled about it these days, even though I had it a couple of months ago and it really knocked me out. It was early October I caught it, just after the Bristol City game and I don’t think that’s a coincidence! 😂
I’m still not 100% percent but in my 20’s I had a bad dose of flu and that took me ages to fully recover from, at its worse I seriously struggled just to lift my head off the pillow.
One post in 5 months, before you needlessly bumped it suggested the thread was on it’s way out.
 
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