Whiteman

Penny_White said:
Ball retention
Passing Accuracy
Can beat a press (many of our midfield can’t)
Good defensive cover.


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See this is why I think he's relatively replacable. That sounds like Neil Kilkenny.
sports rehab said:
leads by example
fittest guy at the club
bollocks teammates
covers cock ups from more advanced players
starting to work well with Thor
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I'm not sure I agree with these. I think he's been generally poor of late (just like the rest of the squad to be fair) so I don't think he's been leading by example. He did well in the Luton game but that was an exception rather than the rule. The part about covering cockups from more advanced players can generally be said about defensive players. Also I still think his dynamic with Thordarson requires improvement. There have been a few times where I've seen Thordarson asking for the ball when free but Whiteman doesn't notice and instead passes it backwards.
 
Bodney Rewes said:
See this is why I think he's relatively replacable. That sounds like Neil Kilkenny.

I'm not sure I agree with these. I think he's been generally poor of late (just like the rest of the squad to be fair) so I don't think he's been leading by example. He did well in the Luton game but that was an exception rather than the rule. The part about covering cockups from more advanced players can generally be said about defensive players. Also I still think his dynamic with Thordarson requires improvement. There have been a few times where I've seen Thordarson asking for the ball when free but Whiteman doesn't notice and instead passes it backwards.
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Thordarson asks for the ball whether he is the right option or not.

That’s not a criticism by the way, I love the confidence and willingness.
 
In my team, both Okkels and Bowler are slightly advanced.

McCann sits whilst Thor and Mads are in central midfield, Mads slightly more forward, supporting Osmajic when available to do so.
 
Good player, Whiteman. Good ball retention and decent in the air. Never hides either.

He’s zero pace and has minimal ball-striking ability. But that’s why he plays in the position he does.
 
Doyler said:
Good player, Whiteman. Good ball retention and decent in the air. Never hides either.

He’s zero pace and has minimal ball-striking ability. But that’s why he plays in the position he does.
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I think people are understandably frustrated with his pass selection. Dropping deep to collect the ball is fine, but he needs to be the one getting his head up and looking to progress it instead of laying it right back off to Storey or Hughes to do.

I still think there's a chance he'd have a future as a ball playing centre back honestly.
 
HunterLionheart said:
I think people are understandably frustrated with his pass selection. Dropping deep to collect the ball is fine, but he needs to be the one getting his head up and looking to progress it instead of laying it right back off to Storey or Hughes to do.

I still think there's a chance he'd have a future as a ball playing centre back honestly.
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I genuinely think this is realistic. Like Gregan's transition. Mousinho did the same when he left us and excelled, although in the league below.

He's just so laboured and sluggish to be a good Championship defensive midfielder and he's useless facing his own goal.

The only other role I see for him is as a spare man in midfield, just floating into pockets of space in more advanced positions and trying to find runners, like Bannan has done for years at Sheff Wednesday.
 
His lack of pace will prevent him from ever playing higher up the pitch. It’s also a massive issue for him trying to break up play, he often gets completely walked past.

On the ball he’s excellent but he’s a complete passenger off it.
 
Stanleyy said:
Depressing to watch the Sunderland highlights this weekend. Browne playing in his favored position. Playing high up in midfield. Directing the players around him. He’ll probably be playing in the premiere league next season. Good for him. But what a fiasco losing him.
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I agree. Also when playing in his favoured position, he still managed to get back to make some defensive tackles.
 
HunterLionheart said:
I think people are understandably frustrated with his pass selection. Dropping deep to collect the ball is fine, but he needs to be the one getting his head up and looking to progress it instead of laying it right back off to Storey or Hughes to do.

I still think there's a chance he'd have a future as a ball playing centre back honestly.
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That's the thing, I wasn't sure if he was signed as a replacement for Pearson or Gallagher but I don't think he passes as well as either of them did.
 
SF said:
I genuinely think this is realistic. Like Gregan's transition. Mousinho did the same when he left us and excelled, although in the league below.

He's just so laboured and sluggish to be a good Championship defensive midfielder and he's useless facing his own goal.

The only other role I see for him is as a spare man in midfield, just floating into pockets of space in more advanced positions and trying to find runners, like Bannan has done for years at Sheff Wednesday.
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Gregan was a centre back before he joined us. We then moved him into midfield, before he then moved back again.
 
HunterLionheart said:
I think people are understandably frustrated with his pass selection. Dropping deep to collect the ball is fine, but he needs to be the one getting his head up and looking to progress it instead of laying it right back off to Storey or Hughes to do.

I still think there's a chance he'd have a future as a ball playing centre back honestly.
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Nah, not for me.

Yeah I see the frustration with his pass selection sometimes, but for me it’s a very easy criticism of defensive midfielders. There’s even people who criticise Rodri for not passing forward enough. Pirlo got it, too.

Ultimately it will be hard to find many forward passes when you drop between the CBs to receive the ball, because the will be faced with 11 men in front of him.
 
Doyler said:
Nah, not for me.

Yeah I see the frustration with his pass selection sometimes, but for me it’s a very easy criticism of defensive midfielders. There’s even people who criticise Rodri for not passing forward enough. Pirlo got it, too.

Ultimately it will be hard to find many forward passes when you drop between the CBs to receive the ball, because the will be faced with 11 men in front of him.
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Problem is that if you don't do more than that, more often, then your role is basically better served by someone who can defend more.

McCann could sit there and pass 5 ft to his centre halves.

He needs to be able to impose himself on a game more, to take on the riskier passes when they are available, or step out with the ball.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Osmajic
Okkels Thordarson Mads Bowler
McCann
Best Whatmough Storey K K-H
Woodman​
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I'd definitely be up for that team playing at Deepdale, although I haven't really seen enough of Okkels, apart from Harrogate. Away from home though, if it was up to me, I'd be a little more circumspect.
 
OB1 said:
How many people who were slating Browne off said Whiteman should get the captaincy?

Almost like people dont actually know what they want from their captain
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I understood some of the points folks were making but mostly it just felt like people wanted Gregan back. Browne's captaincy wasn't a weakness of ours. He was well-respected and he lead by example. Despite what Lowe said, our squad wasn't exactly brimming with leaders on the pitch. Browne going has been a big loss. Plus Gregan's particular brand of captaincy isn't exactly common these days. Who could we have brought in to be that type of captain?
 
HunterLionheart said:
Problem is that if you don't do more than that, more often, then your role is basically better served by someone who can defend more.

McCann could sit there and pass 5 ft to his centre halves.

He needs to be able to impose himself on a game more, to take on the riskier passes when they are available, or step out with the ball.
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Yeah, there’s definitely there from your final paragraph. Know what you mean.

Issue with playing McCann there instead of Whiteman is he can’t handle the ball under pressure like Whiteman can. McCann is the golden boy of this forum, and he’s great defensively, but we’ve started playing the ball out more under this manager. McCann wouldn’t be able to do that.
 
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