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Realistic said:
What you're possibly trying to say is that most people can't afford fish and chips every night ? And they can't, I agree. We used to have it once a week on Friday. Many people in the country have been allowed to become far too wealthy and need to be taxed very heavily (Dennis Healy style). They might f*ck off but if they do we'll survive. I just thought I'd throw that in to throw you off the scent, Pete.
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Heres some interesting info on the matter of the poor in our country..it makes you think, why should any child with working parents be in any poverty at all? Yet they are, and plenty of them...

There can be no ducking the changing nature of the poverty we are addressing. A generation ago, worklessness was the overwhelming cause. Today, nearly three poor children in four live in a working household and no government can perpetuate the myth any more that the majority of our poor people are workshy or part of a dependency culture.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Heres some interesting info on the matter of the poor in our country..it makes you think, why should any child with working parents be in any poverty at all? Yet they are, and plenty of them...

There can be no ducking the changing nature of the poverty we are addressing. A generation ago, worklessness was the overwhelming cause. Today, nearly three poor children in four live in a working household and no government can perpetuate the myth any more that the majority of our poor people are workshy or part of a dependency culture.
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That is how the Tories want it, the workforce on minimum income, struggling to pay the bills, no chance of buying their own house, they can rent at extortionate prices and at the end of the month they are skint, perfect.
 
Realistic said:
What you're possibly trying to say is that most people can't afford fish and chips every night ? And they can't, I agree. We used to have it once a week on Friday. Many people in the country have been allowed to become far too wealthy and need to be taxed very heavily (Dennis Healy style). They might f*ck off but if they do we'll survive. I just thought I'd throw that in to throw you off the scent, Pete.
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Its more that this particular tory is strangely not accepting the outcome of the free market and presuming that local 'hardworking families' whose votes he's courting, are desperate for a town centre chippy which most can't afford any more. I suspect he has an image of 1950s workers in flat caps queuing for a mighty battered cod loin etched on his brain. He may not have ventured out of the Garrick club for the last few decades so how would he know things have changed. I agree with you in the sense that anyone pleading poverty that regularly eats from takeaways is taking the piss and should learn how to cook simply. It would help the nhs to boot.
 
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Durutti said:
I've seen it in the classroom. Literally pupils coming in on a Monday with a different name and gender...and the vast majority of pupils around them being supportive or not really caring. It is great to see and would have been completely different in my day at school.

You'll still not get me changing my mind on the majority of the 'great' British public mind. Agree with just about everything else.
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Great to see? The kids don’t need pandering too or their egos massaging, they need to be told in no uncertain terms that they cannot change sex or gender.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Heres some interesting info on the matter of the poor in our country..it makes you think, why should any child with working parents be in any poverty at all? Yet they are, and plenty of them...

There can be no ducking the changing nature of the poverty we are addressing. A generation ago, worklessness was the overwhelming cause. Today, nearly three poor children in four live in a working household and no government can perpetuate the myth any more that the majority of our poor people are workshy or part of a dependency culture.
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That's just someone's opinion. It's a complicated issue, clearly there are hard working families struggling that need help and they should get it. There's also a lot of lazy skivers and assorted exempt playing the system, who I'm not necessarily (automatically) condemning, everyone has their reasons, how they got in that position and just can't get out of it (can't face work).

What do you call poverty BTW ? Poverty is always relative. Mobile phones (I phones not flip phones), vaping, smoking, daily alcohol, if after all of these have been removed and a working family is still skint there is obviously something seriously wrong. Storm Parliament, kick em out, install the Socialist Brotherhood of man (save all your kisses for me), put the means of production into the hands of the people; get rid of money/capital (root of all evil according to Marx) from each according to their ability, to each, according to their need. It might work for a few years until the brothers get pissed off and decide to kick them out and establish democracy again. Now, where have I heard that story before.
 
Portishead said:
Its more that this particular tory is strangely not accepting the outcome of the free market and presuming that local 'hardworking families' whose votes he's courting, are desperate for a town centre chippy which most can't afford any more. I suspect he has an image of 1950s workers in flat caps queuing for a mighty battered cod loin etched on his brain. He may not have ventured out of the Garrick club for the last few decades so how would he know things have changed. I agree with you in the sense that anyone pleading poverty that regularly eats from takeaways is taking the piss and should learn how to cook simply. It would help the nhs to boot.
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For most working class people, a Labour party (right wing IMHO) is better suited to their needs. I have to point out that Blair and Brown were somewhere to the right of Edward Heath, though. What do any of you "revolutionaries" actually want ? Do you know what you want and what you might get ?
 
Realistic said:
For most working class people, a Labour party (right wing IMHO) is better suited to their needs. I have to point out that Blair and Brown were somewhere to the right of Edward Heath, though. What do any of you "revolutionaries" actually want ? Do you know what you want and what you might get ?
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It must be revolutionary to aspire to a govt that works and works for the many, not the few.
Accepting that the many should also work if they are able.
 
Snickiwi said:
Great to see? The kids don’t need pandering too or their egos massaging, they need to be told in no uncertain terms that they cannot change sex or gender.
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I agree. I'm waiting to see how many of these progressive teachers apply the same freedoms to little Muhammad's who want to become little Muhsina's. I'm confident that not one of these teachers would dare confront Muslim parents with...Oh, Mr and Mrs Patel, your son has now changed gender and we will be referring to "her" as......
 
nigelscamelcoat said:
It's the constant push for efficency in just about every sector and aspect of life. There is only so much you can squeeze out of the cloth. The price is paid at the end of the chain, the people who do the real work.
Perhaps because the whole thing is driven by accountants and other left brain types.
It's inhumane.
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Where did you learn all this utter claptrap from?
 
Portishead said:
You asked for am aspiration which definition is in the future, not the past
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Now we're talking. The glorious tomorrow, in the gilded domes of the future, where ignorance and want have been banished by Angela Rayner and PNE are champions of Europe ! It will never happen, Pete, forget about it, humans ruin everything and always have.
 
Realistic said:
Now we're talking. The glorious tomorrow, in the gilded domes of the future, where ignorance and want have been banished by Angela Rayner and PNE are champions of Europe ! It will never happen, Pete, forget about it, humans ruin everything and always have.
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Like Sepp correctly reminds us from time to time, there are a lot of good things happening and good people about. Its just theyre not always in the right places where it would really count.
 
outreacher said:
they can rent at extortionate prices and at the end of the month they are skint, perfect.
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Rents are ridiculous. There's a shortage of houses (Blame Thatcher if you want) but the reason now is that there's just too many immigrants and in the next ten years, Britain is going to be effectively "sunk" by them.
 
Portishead said:
Like Sepp correctly reminds us from time to time, there are a lot of good things happening and good people about. Its just theyre not always in the right places where it would really count.
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Sepp is a wise old hippy. I'd be happy if PNE just had one season....
 
Realistic said:
That's just someone's opinion. It's a complicated issue, clearly there are hard working families struggling that need help and they should get it. There's also a lot of lazy skivers and assorted exempt playing the system, who I'm not necessarily (automatically) condemning, everyone has their reasons, how they got in that position and just can't get out of it (can't face work).

What do you call poverty BTW ? Poverty is always relative. Mobile phones (I phones not flip phones), vaping, smoking, daily alcohol, if after all of these have been removed and a working family is still skint there is obviously something seriously wrong. Storm Parliament, kick em out, install the Socialist Brotherhood of man (save all your kisses for me), put the means of production into the hands of the people; get rid of money/capital (root of all evil according to Marx) from each according to their ability, to each, according to their need. It might work for a few years until the brothers get pissed off and decide to kick them out and establish democracy again. Now, where have I heard that story before.
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Have you actually been watching the news? This poverty in working households is very real and its root causes are clear for all who want to see it.
To doubt it is IMO just gullibly swallowing right wing propaganda.
 
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