Back Bench MP Boris Johnson

[26-0]

Bit by bit they really are "taking back control" for themselves.

Immediately after election Johnson removed an important clause from the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill which now means no parliamentary involvement in Brexit. The House of Commons will have no oversight on the government's negotiating objectives, no right to be kept updated on the progress of negotiations and no vote on the final deal.

That's our elected representatives, our voice silenced. We're on a dangerous path.

 

[raefil]

Dont worry. I give this Govt 6 months before they get swamped with issues and a groundswell of unpopularity. Theyre wallowing currently in misplaced arrogance that a large Commons majority represents popularity. When nothing changes around austerity the shit will hit their fan. Then the current lazy flabby PM and his cretinous ensemble of a cabinet will only have fake news and division and rule to dig them out of a crisis of their own nationalist making.

They need to remember that 60% of the electorate are not on board with them, despite their warped thinking. They can only keep ordering the media to be quiet about whats happening in France for so long.

 

[truenorthender]

Bit by bit they really are "taking back control" for themselves.

Immediately after election Johnson removed an important clause from the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill which now means no parliamentary involvement in Brexit. The House of Commons will have no oversight on the government's negotiating objectives, no right to be kept updated on the progress of negotiations and no vote on the final deal.

That's our elected representatives, our voice silenced. We're on a dangerous path.

Good.. it should be upto the to government in power to negotiate. Our voice was the vote to the leave the EU. They don't need to hear any more voices..

 

[raefil]

Good.. it should be upto the to government in power to negotiate. Our voice was the vote to the leave the EU. They don't need to hear any more voices..

So youre saying that the Executive can decide to do whatever they want with impunity even though they have only a 40% mandate to do so?

Remember if they can do this with Brexit they can do it with any legislation.

 

[PNEESSEX]

Good.. it should be upto the to government in power to negotiate. Our voice was the vote to the leave the EU. They don't need to hear any more voices..

The point of Parliamentary democracy is that the executive should be held to account by Parliament. Making that more difficult can never be a good thing

 

[Nobber]

Good.. it should be upto the to government in power to negotiate. Our voice was the vote to the leave the EU. They don't need to hear any more voices..

You thick git.

 

[portisheadpete]

Bit by bit they really are "taking back control" for themselves.

Immediately after election Johnson removed an important clause from the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill which now means no parliamentary involvement in Brexit. The House of Commons will have no oversight on the government's negotiating objectives, no right to be kept updated on the progress of negotiations and no vote on the final deal.

That's our elected representatives, our voice silenced. We're on a dangerous path.

Thatcher had a healthy majority when she introduced the Poll Tax. It wasnt Parliament but direct action that held her to account. Johnson is in a precarious position having mobilised masses to manouevre into power. Those mobilised masss are now waiting and watching. Why this govt keeps so in league with the Armed Forces. Little to do with patriotism. They foresee they will need them in future to quell the mob.
As an aside I was in Bristol city centre saturday morning - practically empty. Little or no trade. If the future is the sight of amazon warehouse monoliths appearing next to a motorway by you, I dont call that a sustainable economic model for uk. Only the State can influence but wheres the vision?

 

[Winkytinky]

You thick git.

Glad somebody said it.

 

[truenorthender]

So youre saying that the Executive can decide to do whatever they want with impunity even though they have only a 40% mandate to do so?

Remember if they can do this with Brexit they can do it with any legislation.

I'm saying that we have put our trust in the government by voting for brexit.. does this affect the speed that brexit will be achieved? Will it make it faster ?

 

[truenorthender]

The point of Parliamentary democracy is that the executive should be held to account by Parliament. Making that more difficult can never be a good thing

Let's just wait and see what happens. What's the problem anyway? They are going to make it so brexit just benefits them personally? It's a rum do

 

[truenorthender]

You thick git.

Can you break down your post for me pal?
I struggle to understand the brilliance of your eloquent post's Mr brexit no brexit

 

[truenorthender]

Glad somebody said it.

I'm glad somebody said that they are glad that somebody said it

 

[Nobber]

Can you break down your post for me pal?
I struggle to understand the brilliance of your eloquent post's Mr brexit no brexit

of course

You

Thick

Git.

Hope that helped.

 

[sliper]

As an aside I was in Bristol city centre saturday morning - practically empty. Little or no trade. If the future is the sight of amazon warehouse monoliths appearing next to a motorway by you, I dont call that a sustainable economic model for uk. Only the State can influence but wheres the vision?

I've been saying this for years.. the end result of the online revolution will be less choice for consumers. They recently closed down our local B&Q so now I have to travel further to get a packet of screws, a tube of filler or a bag of cement.

As you say there is no long term strategic vision ! (A rare point of agreement between us). The current crop of politicians right across the spectrum generally are useless.. they have no idea about the real world and no vision. They are picked for their party loyalty and are little more than nodding donkeys.

In the past the left was responsible for huge practical improvements in peoples lives, the NHS and Universal Education but now it is obsessed with petty ideological infighting and not offending anyone.. anything but actually getting real things done.

What happened to that British pioneering spirit that built large parts of the modern world ? Now prepared to pay obscene sums for other peoples soon to be outdated transport systems... and seemingly not aware of futuristic faster cheaper options... lacking the courage to innovate and take risks.
Most of UK investment seems to going into building high priced student accommodation.. lets hope these foreign students don't decide to take their education to other countries.

 

[jakehake]

lets hope these foreign students don't decide to take their education to other countries.

let's hope as a nation we don't do anything that may make them think of doing that in the first place

 

[26-0]

As you say there is no long term strategic vision ! (A rare point of agreement between us). The current crop of politicians right across the spectrum generally are useless.. they have no idea about the real world and no vision. They are picked for their party loyalty and are little more than nodding donkeys.

In the past the left was responsible for huge practical improvements in peoples lives, the NHS and Universal Education but now it is obsessed with petty ideological infighting and not offending anyone.. anything but actually getting real things done.

Sorry if I've missed something but has the "left" been in government recently and wasted a chance to implement some radical solutions?

And let's not forget that the electorate have just rejected the radical Labour manifesto which included the "Green Industrial Revolution" in favour of "getting Brexit done" under the Tories.

So as sad and damaging as the decline of the High Street is the electorate don't seem that bothered for now at least.

 

[26-0]

Let's just wait and see what happens. What's the problem anyway?

Maybe you could try educating yourself on the subject and then you'd know.

 

[truenorthender]

Maybe you could try educating yourself on the subject and then you'd know.

I asked r Tony ellis n he said it's all bollocks

 

[truenorthender]

of course

You

Thick

Git.

Hope that helped.

I know you are, you said you are, so what am I then ?

 

[Regardless]

So as sad and damaging as the decline of the High Street isthe electorate don't seem that bothered for now at least.

The electorate has, in recent decades, been shown to be incapable of thinking long term. sliper was bang on with most of his post.

High Street is just one (critical) example. So was cutting 20000 police officers. So were many aspects of austerity. Cutting education. Cutting music, art because they “don’t pay”. Culling youth clubs. Plastic packaging, environmental pillaging and rampant consumerism. Death of pub culture in favour of supermarket alcohol sales. There are many more.
Brexit? Is that also the same? Brexit “thinkers” would argue that that project is all about long termism. . But IMO the vast majority of leave voters thought of only short termism - things like what was on the side of the bus (stop sending the EU £380M/week) rather than considering the true consequences long term.