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Post Brexit Britain

Sepp Blatter said:
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Not that I am one to defend the Tory government, but what is wrong with tracking catch information? Gathering better data to help model stocks is something we have been trying to improve for decades, helping to set better quotas and promote sustainable levels of fishing.

This app should also help to reduce incidences of deliberate catch under-reporting and illegal fishing - don't see a problem with it at all.

It's not unnecessary red tape - it's another example of the UK fishing policies, with respect to sustainability, exceeding EU regulations. There are many other similar schemes undergoing implementation, such as better vessel monitoring and onboard cctv.

Did a bit of digging, and it's very interesting that the New European has reported this with glee - quoting one small fishing organization to try and make its point. Not that they have an agenda...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

Fishermen fear their ‘Brexit bonus’ will not materialise after new rules from regulator

A new tracking app for traditional fishermen could prevent them from enjoying their much-heralded 'Brexit bonus'.
www.theneweuropean.co.uk www.theneweuropean.co.uk

Plus, to be honest, 10% is a pretty decent margin of error when estimating fish weights - when I used to do it for a living, if I had been wrong by more than 10%, I would have been sacked on the spot.
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Have been looking into this scheme - really can't see an issue with it at all:

Consultation on the introduction of catch recording for licensed fishing vessels under 10 metres in length - Defra - Citizen Space

This site contains consultations that are run by Defra.
consult.defra.gov.uk

A few concerns, but most of those have been addressed during the consultation phase. Certainly not the doom and gloom portrayed by the New European et al. Indeed, I am disappointed in the shadow minister trying to score political points when this program is actually intended to be beneficial for sustainable fishing and the environment.

If the government and MMO didn't introduce such schemes, I am pretty sure they would be criticised for not caring for the environment.

The new Fisheries Bill presently being introduced seems to be a pretty solid piece of legislation that has a strong slant towards sustainability and the environment. Can never fully trust a Tory government, of course, but so far so good.

www.bbc.com

Brexit: Fisheries Bill to enshrine sustainability in law

The government says the Fisheries Bill gives the UK power to operate as an independent coastal state.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com


Away from the tit-for-tat and soundbites of Brexit politics, the civil servants of the MMO seem to be full of good ideas.
 
raefil said:
Dare I say, stuff it, I will.

I warmed to cummings, a little, after reading that.

How can I argue with this, for example:

“Who knows what would happen to a political culture if a party embraced education and science as its defining mission and therefore changed the nature of the people running it and the way they make decisions and priorities.”
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For all his faults Cummings isn't a fan of our current politicians..... For that alone he gets my nod of approval.
 
Liberation said:
For all his faults Cummings isn't a fan of our current politicians..... For that alone he gets my nod of approval.
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Well anyone who can shake up the Treasury must have something good about him

Personally from what I have seen viewing politics over the last few years

It’s were the political, dead hangs outs
 
Liberation said:
Not again....You're obsessed. :)
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Maybe I am...... Just like others are with the Labour Party so called socialist views. Just so you know, I detest bullying with a fucking passion. If people don’t like it if I bring things up...... Tough shit, Cause when I see that sort of shit I’ll point it out. Also it affects people with mental health issues. Is that so wrong to point out?
 
NorthWestern said:
Maybe I am...... Just like others are with the Labour Party so called socialist views. Just so you know, I detest bullying with a fucking passion. If people don’t like it if I bring things up...... Tough shit, Cause when I see that sort of shit I’ll point it out. Also it affects people with mental health issues. Is that so wrong to point out?
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Your cape needs a good wash mate...... Bung it in the laundry basket.
 
raefil said:
Dare I say, stuff it, I will.

I warmed to cummings, a little, after reading that.

How can I argue with this, for example:

“Who knows what would happen to a political culture if a party embraced education and science as its defining mission and therefore changed the nature of the people running it and the way they make decisions and priorities.”
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He’s certainly interesting and there he appears to have some aims I agree with. His methods are questionable.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
He’s certainly interesting and there he appears to have some aims I agree with. His methods are questionable.
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Had a chat with a Golden Dawn supporter a few months ago - strangely, we actually agreed about many things, mainly about what is wrong with the present system and that those in power are shafting us up the arse.

However, the solutions were where we differed irreconcilably - not a path I want to travel.
 
raefil said:
Dare I say, stuff it, I will.

I warmed to cummings, a little, after reading that.

How can I argue with this, for example:

“Who knows what would happen to a political culture if a party embraced education and science as its defining mission and therefore changed the nature of the people running it and the way they make decisions and priorities.”
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Are you not getting sucked in by a scheming liar?
 
Regardless said:
Are you not getting sucked in by a scheming liar?
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Yes. Ive worked with someone who was a control freak with what were the psychopathic tendencies you sometimes find alongside "leadership' qualities. They tend not to have a solid stable belief system themselves but understand the utility in promoting that they believe in one as a means to an end. Quite happy to ditch it if it doesnt achieve the aim of maintaining power and control.
 
Another article with a slant on why we are where we are and the populism rise around the world

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News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication
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"Here’s a character rarely mentioned in the contemporary political debate. He (he’s usually a man) lives in a suburb or small town. He wasn’t born with a silver spoon, and he worked his way up, which wasn’t always fun. Now he owns his home and earns above-average income. He is scathing of big-city elites with posh accents who got easy lives handed to them. In short, he’s a middle-class anti-elitist.

You find him across the western world: in New Jersey and Long Island, around the English south-east, the Milan agglomeration and in the quiet suburbs of Rotterdam. The comfortably off populist voter is the main force behind Trump, Brexit and Italy’s Lega. Yet he’s largely ignored, while the conversation about populism revolves around an entirely different figure: the impoverished former factory worker.

Pundits are forever explaining why poor Sunderland voted for Brexit, but rarely why wealthy Bournemouth did. In most developed countries, populism is less a working-class revolt than a middle-class civil war. So why do well-off people vote against the system?

The stats reveal the middle-classness of populism. About two-thirds of Trump voters in 2016 had household incomes above $50,000 (then about the US average), according to the American National Election Study. Most British Leave voters lived in the south of England, and 59 per cent were middle class (social classes A, B or C1), writes Danny Dorling, geographer at Oxford University. In the Netherlands, two-thirds of supporters of far-right Thierry Baudet are moderately or highly educated, say pollsters Ipsos.

Imagine one of these voters, a small business-owner or accountant in Britain, not in London, earning £60,000 a year. (Much of what follows also applies to his small-town equivalents elsewhere.) He isn’t keen on positive discrimination for women or people of colour, or on high taxes. In fact, he doesn’t want anyone to get “handouts”. In a NatCen Social Research study of the Brexit referendum, “affluent Eurosceptics” were the segment of the electorate least likely to have financial troubles (marginally less so than “middle-class liberals”), and most likely to be anti-welfare.

This man’s advance has been slow. He has never been invited into the fast lane of life: the top universities, the biggest firms, the major corporations. He feels, with some justification, that his exclusion has been unfair — based on his accent, schooling, clothes and unfamiliarity with trendy conversational topics. He realised years ago that so-called meritocracy is a fraud.

Big-city professors, journalists and civil servants with fancy degrees — people who strongly resemble politicians such as Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Ed Miliband — seem to him manifestly full of shit. Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s right-hand man, captured this sentiment when he evoked “Oxbridge English graduates who chat about Lacan at dinner parties with TV producers . . . ” (though Cummings is himself an Oxbridge humanities graduate).

Yet whenever our man has got anywhere near these frauds, they have snubbed him. The British Conservative grandee Ken Clarke’s dismissal in 2014 of Ukip voters as “elderly male people who’ve had disappointing lives” was typical.

Over the decades, this man has incurred uncountable psychic slights from big-city types. In her book How To Lose A Country, the Turkish writer Ece Temelkuran recalls an Anatolian businessman asking: “Do you really need a membership card to get into a disco in Istanbul?” He’d been turned away from one, she explains, “supposedly because of the card issue”. She breaks it to him that there are no cards.

Eventually, this man’s snubbed caste brought the populist Recep Tayyip Erdogan to power. “That same businessman,” Temelkuran writes, “bought the disco to which he had been refused entry and turned it into a ‘family restaurant’, which in Turkey means a conservative no-alcohol establishment.”

Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party, too, has replaced big-city journalists, civil servants, judges, diplomats and the heads of state companies with the party’s own people. The Trump administration is doing something similar. This revenge is much of the point of populism. On January 31, many Brexiters spent their ultimate moment of triumph attacking elitist traitors instead of celebrating.

Even now, most journalists and academics still overlook the provincial middle class. The socialist-realist figure of the laid-off factory worker remains more compelling. Anand Menon and Matt Bevington of the UK in a Changing Europe, a research group now starting a project on “comfortable Leavers”, note that the general political focus on “left-behind” or “hard-to-reach” people has influenced academic research.

Populist politicians themselves seldom mention their most loyal supporting class. Trump boasts of a “blue-collar boom”, while Johnson is focusing on a smaller fraction of Leave voters, the northern working classes. In Britain, says Bevington: “The people who were ignored [the northern working class] are now not ignored, and the people who were not ignored [the southern middle class] are now ignored.”

The provincial middle classes can console themselves with one thought: they made the revolution."
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jakehake said:
Another article with a slant on why we are where we are and the populism rise around the world

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication
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Anyone who thinks the northern working class are being listened to by a conservative, has lethally undermined the rest of their argument.
 
jakehake said:
Another article with a slant on why we are where we are and the populism rise around the world

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication
www.ft.com www.ft.com
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Basically a reframed modernised description of what was called a redneck over the pond decades ago. To me, its a vote for a political party that gives space to a reactionary, conservative view of the world and one that views that your elevation has been thanks to your own efforts solely. And that others down the scale are simply lacking your application. The reality usually is that personal success is down to a combination of personal application but also background, access to education and opportunities, good contacts, family support and most of all luck and circumstance. If everyone accepted this combination, we might avoid the divisive narrative that these parties deliberately foster. To everyones detriment.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
Anyone who thinks the northern working class are being listened to by a conservative, has lethally undermined the rest of their argument.
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I don’t think the article says they are listened to(had to re read since it’s been 18 months since I posted it). It says they aren’t being ignored. And I’d say being played like a Penny whistle, and it worked perfectly for the strategists
 
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