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Ukraine-Russia Conflict

outreacher said:
It's a rum do, when one side is righteous, and the other is a spawn of evil.
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Yup - as is so often the case in these conflicts, war crimes by 'our' side are glossed over while those of the other are magnified. 'Our' allies don't shell civilians or scatter mines in civilian areas - that is something that only our evil enemies do, of course.

They use propaganda but we don't.

There was some Ukrainian pushback against the Amnesty Report. Zelenskyy seemed to be somewhat pissed off about it.

www.amnesty.org

Statement on publication of press release on Ukrainian fighting tactics

Amnesty International statement
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

www.voanews.com

Amnesty International Ukraine Report Sparks Furor, Resignation

Report said Ukrainian forces had exposed civilians to Russian attacks by basing themselves in populated areas
www.voanews.com www.voanews.com
 
This one made me laugh

The Ukrainians are accusing the Russians of launching rockets at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.

edition.cnn.com

New rocket strike on Ukraine nuclear plant, as UN watchdog warns of 'disaster' | CNN

Ukraine accused Russian forces on Sunday of launching rockets at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, further ratcheting fears of an accident a day after the United Nation's watchdog warned that fighting at the occupied complex risked a "nuclear disaster."
edition.cnn.com edition.cnn.com

However, as the article actually states, Russian forces have occupied the plant for quite some time. Indeed, the Ukrainians accuse the Russians of storing weaponry in the plant and launching attacks from there.

So, if the Russians store equipment there and have troops operating there, why would they attack it and endanger their own troops and equipment?

The problem with propaganda is that you eventually start tying yourself up in knots and people stop believing you.
 
Sepp Blatter said:
This one made me laugh

The Ukrainians are accusing the Russians of launching rockets at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.

edition.cnn.com

New rocket strike on Ukraine nuclear plant, as UN watchdog warns of 'disaster' | CNN

Ukraine accused Russian forces on Sunday of launching rockets at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, further ratcheting fears of an accident a day after the United Nation's watchdog warned that fighting at the occupied complex risked a "nuclear disaster."
edition.cnn.com edition.cnn.com

However, as the article actually states, Russian forces have occupied the plant for quite some time. Indeed, the Ukrainians accuse the Russians of storing weaponry in the plant and launching attacks from there.

So, if the Russians store equipment there and have troops operating there, why would they attack it and endanger their own troops and equipment?

The problem with propaganda is that you eventually start tying yourself up in knots and people stop believing you.
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Propaganda doesn't need to be that compelling anymore. People hardly look into things, the headline will do.
 
Interesting that Ukraine has taken no responsibility for the Crimea explosions - if it had been a rocket strike, then they would have been broadcasting it.

Does make me wonder if there is any truth in this:

www.reuters.com

Ukraine is not taking responsibility for Crimea explosions - Zelenskiy aide

Ukraine is not taking responsibility for explosions at a Russian air base in Crimea on Tuesday, an advisor to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said, suggesting partisans might have been involved.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

If it was a special operation, that would explain the denial - they, correctly, wouldn't want to put their operatives at risk by revealing them. Certainly an impressive raid if it was a sabotage operation.
 
Flippin_lump said:
Why do you keep trying to beat him up?
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I askedwhether it would be more appropriate to start a thread on Israel. On a thread about Ukraine and Russia at war in Europe, where Russia are accused of war crimes on a scale not seen since WWII, with Russia already involved in a war in Syria where 300,000 people have died and 10 million displaced. After posting several pro Russian pieces, a disputed piece about another unrelated conflict published by the state arm of a dictatorship gets posted. It’s almost an obsession.
 
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